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Old 04-09-2011, 10:46 AM
 
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:49 PM
 
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Anyone who buys a vehicle that gets 8 mpg, can't afford gas for it, and can't figure out that his own choice is the problem probably shouldn't be allowed to drive at all, or even to go out in public without supervision.

Why would he think that it was the President's job to support his lifestyle choices? What he needs to do is become one of the One Percent who own 99% of the country's wealth and don't pay any taxes. Then he could afford his wasteful lifestyle. How about that for a solution?
I love it. Bush was crucified for "letting" gas get so expensive. Now it's OUR fault?

DRILL, BABY, DRILL. It's OUR oil, let us use it.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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Then perhaps we need larger and better social programs, assisted living, extended Medicare and Medicaid, UHC w/ a public option, Food Stamps, public housing allowance, etc.

I agree with you. I'd rather spend my tax dollars taking care of the poor and the elderly than patting some some bozo on the ass who CHOOSES to drive a vehicle that gets 8 mpg. It is obviously a large SUV, and he obviously thought he had enough money to purchase it. He should have considered the cost of fuel BEFORE he bought it. It is not my obligation nor is it the obligation of the government to finance his lifestyle. Let him either pay for the gas and shut up or trade into a vehicle that he can afford to drive.
I'm so sick of you socialists. Those tax dollars should be kept in my pocket, where I can spend them however I want. If I want to drive a car that goes 1 mpg, I can do that.

All you geniuses on the left - you DO know that the price of gas affects every single aspect of our lives, don't you? Wait until groceries go through the roof. You'll be crying then.

Note to self: word-of-the-day has been changed from "distraction" to "obligation".

It's not my obligation to pay for the poor and elderly. You can do that, but I choose to take care of MY OWN.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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bull****. CAFE was passed by CONGRESS. A president cannot arbitrarily do away with CAFE unless CONGRESS passes another law to do so. Take a government studies class.

The factual reason for people buying SUVs under CAFE is that CAFE made sedans relatively way more expensive and non-commerical people stated driving trucks for the first time. I SEEN THIS HAPPEN WITH MY OWN EYES.

Factual non-biased link to what you're saying or else it didn't happen.
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Here's your link, Hotshot. One of several thousand.

If you'd like a little salt on that crow, just whistle.
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Old 04-09-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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I'm so sick of you socialists. Those tax dollars should be kept in my pocket, where I can spend them however I want. If I want to drive a car that goes 1 mpg, I can do that.

All you geniuses on the left - you DO know that the price of gas affects every single aspect of our lives, don't you? Wait until groceries go through the roof. You'll be crying then.

Note to self: word-of-the-day has been changed from "distraction" to "obligation".

It's not my obligation to pay for the poor and elderly. You can do that, but I choose to take care of MY OWN.
People are only socialists if they want a hand out or need publicity...I'm with you...I don't want to pay more taxes unless they lower it and than start to raise VAT so the so called poor can start paying for all they buy...from the money they keep away from the tax payer...by working on the side while on disability or welfare...
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:05 PM
 
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The Nader Page | In the Public Interest

Here's your link, Hotshot. One of several thousand.

If you'd like a little salt on that crow, just whistle.
<sarcasm>Wwwwoooowwww he rolled back the mpg standard from 27.5 mpg AALLLLLL the way back to (wait for it) 26 mpg. Man that just derailed all my assertions. I've been pwned!</sarcasm> Then it went back to 27.5 mpg a year or so later under Bush I.

Also, still says nothing about how CAFE caused SUVs to become popular when CAFE made sedans much more relatively expensive. I'd HARDLY call that totally derailing CAFE.

Also, why didn't the Democrat Congress of 1986 step in and introduce new legislation to up it? Why didn't anyone challenge it in court?

BTW, since finger pointing is in season, notice how BILL CLINTON didn't do a d**n thing to improve CAFE standards either. Oh. but he's a Democrat, so that must be OK, there's an excuse there somewhere. Just like Obama invading Libya.
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I love it. Bush was crucified for "letting" gas get so expensive. Now it's OUR fault?

DRILL, BABY, DRILL. It's OUR oil, let us use it.
So - You really believe that someone will drill for more oil so that they can sell you gasoline cheaper at the pump?

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!! !!!!!!!

Thanks - I really needed a belly laugh...

You ARE aware, my lad, that the oil pumped out if the ground in Alaska is sold to Japan and China, aren't you? Not a drop of "our" oil, as you so quaintly put it, ends up at "your" pump. "Your" gas comes. most likely, from oil purchased from Canada and refined in Texas or Louisiana. Do a bit of research.

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Old 04-09-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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<sarcasm>Wwwwoooowwww he rolled back the mpg standard from 27.5 mpg AALLLLLL the way back to (wait for it) 26 mpg. Man that just derailed all my assertions. I've been pwned!</sarcasm> Then it went back to 27.5 mpg a year or so later under Bush I.

Also, still says nothing about how CAFE caused SUVs to become popular when CAFE made sedans much more relatively expensive. I'd HARDLY call that totally derailing CAFE.

Also, why didn't the Democrat Congress of 1986 step in and introduce new legislation to up it? Why didn't anyone challenge it in court?

BTW, since finger pointing is in season, notice how BILL CLINTON didn't do a d**n thing to improve CAFE standards either. Oh. but he's a Democrat, so that must be OK, there's an excuse there somewhere. Just like Obama invading Libya.
As I said, one of thousands. Google is free. Use it wisely, grasshopper...
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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If Obama was serious about getting us off oil without starving the masses (like the enviro-tards want), he would do a 20 year plan (like the interstate highway system) where we would use proven technologies and build new generation III and beyond design nuclear reactors which are infinitely safer than the 1960's reactors and then build a grid of inductive coupled power systems along all interstates so electric cars which adhere to the new standard would get way way better mileage than current and get us permanently off of oil. These systems have already been proven and committing to these would get us off oil in a known time frame. This plan would include periodic milestones where if the contractor wasn't meeting schedule, that contractor would get the boot and bring someone else in who can do the job. We would also fast track any regulations which would impede us in getting to this goad (EIR's etc).

This plan would not support Democrat donors, oops research companies, which promise their technology MAY be ready 30 years from now (or may not). This is what the Dept. of Energy has been doing since the 1970's, and we have little to show for it.

But no, Obama, his supporters, and enviro-tards think that doing brute force market manipulations will be the quick and easy way to do it. Got news for all of you, that's been tried in the late 1970's and read up on your history books to see what the result of that was.

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Old 04-09-2011, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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If Obama was serious about getting us off oil without starving the masses (like the enviro-tards want), he would do a 20 year plan (like the interstate highway system) where we would use proven technologies and build new generation III and beyond design nuclear reactors
since when is it the government's JOB to build reactors for the electric companies???? It is up to US industry leaders to develop and deploy new technology. If you want smaller government, quit demanding that the government step in every time you see something that needs done.
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which are infinitely safer than the 1960's reactors and then build a grid of inductive coupled power systems along all interstates so electric cars which adhere to the new standard would get way way better mileage than current and get us permanently off of oil. These systems have already been proven and committing to these would get us off oil in a known time frame. This plan would not support Democrat donors, oops research companies, which promise their technology MAY be ready 30 years from now (or may not). This is what the Dept. of Energy has been doing since the 1970's, and we have little to show for it.
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