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Old 04-25-2011, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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well gee, if the blathering righties are going to use hollywood fantasy to defend their baseless blather i guess it must be true, eh? And they claim to dislike all that hollywood crap
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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"Every time a leftist is in front of a camera, the first point they make about about "fairness"." = baseless, blathering BULLS**T
Prove it.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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Can "fair" ever mature to "reasonable"?

Or, is it always a twain ride?

Personally, I see it as a twain ride with the engine, reason, and the caboose, fair.

If the brakes and engine aren't maintained, the twain can go backwards, resulting in a fair catastwophe.

This is but an example of how reading Atlas Shrugged can cause a person to . . twack like a duck.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:03 AM
 
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Can "fair" ever mature to "reasonable"?

Or, is it always a twain ride?

Personally, I see it as a twain ride with the engine, reason, and the caboose, fair.

If the brakes and engine aren't maintained, the twain can go backwards, resulting in a fair catastwophe.

This is but an example of how reading Atlas Shrugged can cause a person to . . twack like a duck.
Can you please re-post when you've taken your meds?
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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Every time a leftist is in front of a camera, the first point they make about about "fairness".

Are we for equality of opportunity or outcome?
Shouldn't we all have equal opportunities? Most on the left want equal opportunities.

Shouldn't people get a fair wage? Most on the left believe that a workers should get a fair wage.

The right thinks that social Darwinism is okay. That somehow inequality of opportunity is good. The whole boots strap mentality. How many millionaires come out of the hallowed halls of Compton High School? How many come out the Bergen County Academy (named one the top high schools in the nation)? Is it fair that there is such a disparity of education? Doesn't that play a huge role (Bergen County is one of the richest counties in the nation...whereas Compton is one of the poorest cities in the nation). Clearly opportunities are different.

Since the 1970s wages of CEOs vs. employees has gone up. The ratio used to be 1:40 now it's 1:400. (1 CEO per every 400 workers). This is for top earning CEOs. That is obscene. The wages of the wealthy have skyrocketed, but basically flat-lined for the middle and fell for the poor. How is that warranted? Health insurance CEOs have seen their wages increase dramatically since premiums have skyrocketed. So what you have is things getting more expensive and wages for the middle stagnating. The rich get paid more since they see their profits rise with the rising of prices (health insurance for example). With tax cuts causing cuts to social services, the poor suffer. The middle suffers with cuts towards higher education and scholarship programs. How is that fair?

Opportunity and fair wages. There is something to be said for not wanting unbridled greed and wanting people to have a fair chance of opportunity.

Most liberals do not want to see a society where a doctor makes the same a McDonald's worker. I think that you do deserve credit for your hard work. However, moderation needs to be exercised in order for the economy and society to be sustained.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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The fact is that the "left" does not want fairness. They want more. It is no different than affirmative action and so many other things. They flat out don't want fairness. if they did they would allow people to live their lives without them butting into others' lives and CONTROLING everyone.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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Shouldn't we all have equal opportunities? Most on the left want equal opportunities.

Shouldn't people get a fair wage? Most on the left believe that a workers should get a fair wage.

The right thinks that social Darwinism is okay. That somehow inequality of opportunity is good. The whole boots strap mentality. How many millionaires come out of the hallowed halls of Compton High School? How many come out the Bergen County Academy (named one the top high schools in the nation)? Is it fair that there is such a disparity of education? Doesn't that play a huge role (Bergen County is one of the richest counties in the nation...whereas Compton is one of the poorest cities in the nation). Clearly opportunities are different.

Since the 1970s wages of CEOs vs. employees has gone up. The ratio used to be 1:40 now it's 1:400. (1 CEO per every 400 workers). This is for top earning CEOs. That is obscene. The wages of the wealthy have skyrocketed, but basically flat-lined for the middle and fell for the poor. How is that warranted? Health insurance CEOs have seen their wages increase dramatically since premiums have skyrocketed. So what you have is things getting more expensive and wages for the middle stagnating. The rich get paid more since they see their profits rise with the rising of prices (health insurance for example). With tax cuts causing cuts to social services, the poor suffer. The middle suffers with cuts towards higher education and scholarship programs. How is that fair?

Opportunity and fair wages. There is something to be said for not wanting unbridled greed and wanting people to have a fair chance of opportunity.

Most liberals do not want to see a society where a doctor makes the same a McDonald's worker. I think that you do deserve credit for your hard work. However, moderation needs to be exercised in order for the economy and society to be sustained.
Nah.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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Can you please re-post when you've taken your meds?
Caution: Don't play on the twain twacks.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:10 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Prove it.

It's impossible to prove anything to someone so hellbent on closing their eyes and mind. You obviously watch no news.

Why don't YOU prove your own hyperbolic allegation that starts with EVERYTIME?
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:12 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The fact is that the "left" does not want fairness. They want more. It is no different than affirmative action and so many other things. They flat out don't want fairness. if they did they would allow people to live their lives without them butting into others' lives and CONTROLING everyone.
Sorry, you're whining in the wrong thread. This one starts with the baseless allegation that EVERYTIME a leftist is before a camera it starts with 'fairness'.
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