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Originally Posted by alphamale
What is a "fair wage"?
Why shouldn't business owners have the freedom to shop around for lower wage, capable employees?
There is a curve that allows for a balance between wages and the value of the service provided.
In other words, if your wages are too low, you will get unqualified employees, your productivity will suffer.
If your wages are too high, you will not be profitable.
When you hire someone to do work for you, whether it's baby sitting, lawn care or a simple pizza delivery, isn't there a wage based on the value of that service?
Does all this blather relate to the 'fairness' of blaming a union for taking what they can get BY CONTRACT while conveniently overlooking management running a company into the ground while taking all they can get BY CONTRACT? The same management that BTW signed the other side of the union contract.
A "fair" wage is one implemented by Government force.
A "reasonable" wage involves mutual agreement.
Mutual agreement involves personal responsibility.
Personal responsibility is a threat to Socialism.
Socialism is a threat to personal responsibility.
Except that's not even true what you're saying...
It's never mutual. There is a balance of power and the rich, without any checks, will simply go towards the lowest wage person until all wages are depressed. So, really it's not mutual. It's simply a war of wage/work attrition and the rich have more resources and thus win.
It's never mutual. There is a balance of power and the rich, without any checks, will simply go towards the lowest wage person until all wages are depressed. So, really it's not mutual. It's simply a war of wage/work attrition and the rich have more resources and thus win.
No, we didn't. I came from a more wealthy household. My parents paid for tutors on the SATs. My dad taught me grammar. I traveled to Switzerland to learn French. That's not the same opportunities. So I gave my experiences, free of charge, thus spreading some of the opportunities I was given. My dad even corrected my friends papers...since that's what he helped me with. Thus, equalizing the playing field.
I just did break your argument.
No you didn't.
In fact, you strengthened it.
You're talking apples and oranges.
Your parents placed themselves in the position to allow you to do this by educating themselves, sacrificing and by placing importance on your education.
You took the initiative to give of yourself on your own, not by some government mandate.
You can only help those who wish to be helped.
BTW....I admire what you did and the value that your parents place on education.
Does all this blather relate to the 'fairness' of blaming a union for taking what they can get BY CONTRACT while conveniently overlooking management running a company into the ground while taking all they can get BY CONTRACT? The same management that BTW signed the other side of the union contract.
Just what is fairness?
Is fairness taking jobs away from poor uneducated people who are willing to work hard and sending those jobs to China, India just so the American owners can become multi millionaires instead of just millionaires?
Is fairness hiring low pay immigrants to do construction jobs that were done by hard working Americans for slightly more pay?
Is fairness hiring non legal migrant workers for less pay that American workers?
If your unhappy hearing about fairness how about not buying foreign made goods so Americans can get back to work and pay income taxes.
There are 10 million Americans out of work because other Americans are buying all the foreign made goods that wealthy businessmen import into the USA.
If you don't like that some people are on Welfare stop buying foreign goods that's the reason so many are on welfare.
We used to have a strong economy back in the 50's-60's when we made everything here. We gave that away because the Right told us it's a "Global Economy".
Your parents placed themselves in the position to allow you to do this by educating themselves, sacrificing and by placing importance on your education.
You took the initiative to give of yourself on your own, not by some government mandate.
You can only help those who wish to be helped.
BTW....I admire what you did and the value that your parents place on education.
My dad inherited money. My family has always been middle class. In fact, my last name is a middle class/low nobility last name from England. We've not been poor (yes even in feudal times).
I took the initiative since there were no government programs. Oh, there used to be, but then the governor cut funding for after school tutoring. I felt that program was helpful and saw people benefit from it. Oddly, they took that money and paid Enron billions of dollars during the privatization of electricity in California that led to the decline that we see today.
I was less affected. The school is in the inner city, I commuted 30 miles from a White middle/upper middle income master planned community. My dad worked there. So, I went to school with him (IB program...which was almost axed during the budget cut...then I would have gone to another school in VERY affluent district).
I didn't strengthen your argument. I showed how I had more opportunities and I equalized the playing field. Liberals want that same thing, on a larger scale.
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