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Old 04-25-2011, 08:12 AM
 
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It's funny that you bring that up.....

It helped me turn my niece into a conservative. She was all about "fairness" and "equality".

She was a very good HS student and graduated in the top 10 of her class of 500. She received a lot of money in scholarships and grants due to her hard work.

I asked her why she doesn't share her scholarship money with some students that didn't work as hard, therefore didn't receive any money.

Her reply was "why should I give them anything? I worked harder than they did."

I said "Bingo!"

She "got it".
That's a poor example. That's pretty much the same as corporate pay in America. Taking off the brow of the working and middle classes.

I was 9th in my class of about 500-600. I helped tutor those that did not have the same advantages as me. I wanted to help give people the same advantages I had...in order to make it fair. I still got rewarded with scholarships, but I also helped those attain more than they would have without access to the advantages I had. My dad taught grammar at UC Riverside. Yes, I realize mine atrocious now. However, if I actually proofread and make corrections, that would be a whole other story. Regardless, I felt that I simply being born into that situation was not completely fair. I wanted to help others in order to see them succeed as well.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:13 AM
 
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What is a "fair wage"?

Why shouldn't business owners have the freedom to shop around for lower wage, capable employees?

There is a curve that allows for a balance between wages and the value of the service provided.

In other words, if your wages are too low, you will get unqualified employees, your productivity will suffer.

If your wages are too high, you will not be profitable.

When you hire someone to do work for you, whether it's baby sitting, lawn care or a simple pizza delivery, isn't there a wage based on the value of that service?
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:15 AM
 
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The fact is that the "left" does not want fairness. They want more. It is no different than affirmative action and so many other things. They flat out don't want fairness. if they did they would allow people to live their lives without them butting into others' lives and CONTROLING everyone.
I agree the left should stop butting into people's lives. They should stop telling people who they can and can't marry. They should stop telling people how to control the outcome of their pregnancies. They should stop telling people what religious buildings belong where. They should stop trying to impede adoption rights. They should stop taking Darwin out of the textbook out of religious conviction.

Oh, that's not the left. Whoops...my bad.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:16 AM
 
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Every time a leftist is in front of a camera, the first point they make about about "fairness".

Are we for equality of opportunity or outcome?
No..in fact, we should be saying it even MORE than we do now.

And there is no such thing as equality of opportunity in ANY society.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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That's a poor example. That's pretty much the same as corporate pay in America. Taking off the brow of the working and middle classes.

I was 9th in my class of about 500-600. I helped tutor those that did not have the same advantages as me. I wanted to help give people the same advantages I had...in order to make it fair. I still got rewarded with scholarships, but I also helped those attain more than they would have without access to the advantages I had. My dad taught grammar at UC Riverside. Yes, I realize mine atrocious now. However, if I actually proofread and make corrections, that would be a whole other story. Regardless, I felt that I simply being born into that situation was not completely fair. I wanted to help others in order to see them succeed as well.
Mine is a great example.

The students that you, and my niece btw, tutored took initiative and helped themselves by seeking help.

Being in the same school district, didn't you all have the same "advantages"?

You can't break my arguments.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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What is a "fair wage"?

Why shouldn't business owners have the freedom to shop around for lower wage, capable employees?

There is a curve that allows for a balance between wages and the value of the service provided.

In other words, if your wages are too low, you will get unqualified employees, your productivity will suffer.

If your wages are too high, you will not be profitable.

When you hire someone to do work for you, whether it's baby sitting, lawn care or a simple pizza delivery, isn't there a wage based on the value of that service?
1:400 is probably not a fair wage. I think a fair wage would be equal growth of wages, not the current wage stagnation of the middle and the dip in wages of the poor.

Currently, wages across the board are flat for the middle and fell for the poor.

You're looking at it on too micro of a level. Look more globally. That's the main problem of the right, you seem to look at things from one singular perspective and not take into account all trends.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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No..in fact, we should be saying it even MORE than we do now.

And there is no such thing as equality of opportunity in ANY society.
Sure there is.

Of course, it won't be handed to you. You need to have the desire to seek it out.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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Mine is a great example.

The students that you, and my niece btw, tutored took initiative and helped themselves by seeking help.

Being in the same school district, didn't you all have the same "advantages"?

You can't break my arguments.
No, we didn't. I came from a more wealthy household. My parents paid for tutors on the SATs. My dad taught me grammar. I traveled to Switzerland to learn French. That's not the same opportunities. So I gave my experiences, free of charge, thus spreading some of the opportunities I was given. My dad even corrected my friends papers...since that's what he helped me with. Thus, equalizing the playing field.

I just did break your argument.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:21 AM
 
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What is a "fair wage"?
A "fair" wage is one implemented by Government force.

A "reasonable" wage involves mutual agreement.

Mutual agreement involves personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility is a threat to Socialism.

Socialism is a threat to personal responsibility.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:21 AM
 
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Sure there is.

Of course, it won't be handed to you. You need to have the desire to seek it out.
No there isn't. I can tell you've not had a lot of experiences in extremely poverty stricken communities.
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