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Basicaloly progressives are nothing but useful idiots, as are the Republicans who follow in lock step to the right. I find anyone that doesn't or won't think for themselves an ignorant bore and truly not even fun to discuss anything with because of their immense amount of ignorance about so much, but most especially American and world history. Obama is a useful puppet and he makes his speaches to useful idiots like you.
I am so embarassed as a conservative/libertarian in this country calling Obama a socialist. He is far from it. Are you all just spewing talking points, or are you putting intellectual thought into your criticisms? I am watching this Republican debate, and I know their sample size is small and doesn't cover all conservatives, but Obama IS FAR from socialist. He's a neo-conservative, corporatist hack: he is no socialist. Do the Republicans on city-data really think Obama is a socialist This just sounds like uneducated, hot-air.
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OK, OK, Obama is NOT a socialist...but he plays one on TV.
Confiscating a seventh of the US economy through Obama-care already raising the heck out of the cost of everyone's health care.
Fines for not bowing to Obama on this of five thousand a violation for not affording this. In the same bill they confiscate another 3.75% of the value of any house you sell after this year.
Confiscation of GM into the government away from Stock holders stripping of them of their asset without any fair compensation, then he turned it over to the UNION for free though the UNION employees were already compensated through their wages.
Increasing the national debt for mostly no reason by almost 50% and turning most of it over to the government employee unions that financed a half a billion in his 2008 campaign.
Trying to pass laws to make people vote regarding unions in view of others thereby causing retribution by union thugs.
There are a few for starters.
The most liberal progressive socialist in American government ever and a President worse than Carter if that could be possible.
Those are all talking points that I've read before but I'll address them.
1) What you call "Obama Care" is essentially what the 1990s proposed as their alternative to Bill Clinton's health care proposal. Besides, it doesn't confiscate a 7th of anything. If you think that requiring private individuals to purchase insurance policies from private insurance companies is Socialism, you don't know what Socialism is.
2) Bush started the bailout of GM. Was he a Socialist? GM was on the verge of bankruptcy. The stock holders were going to lose all their equity in any case. Nobody striped them of their asset nor are stockholders due any compensation. GM is now a profitable private company. That's a good thing for America.
3)Increasing the national debt isn't Socialism unless Reagan was a Socialist. Reagan entered office with a one trillion dollar nat'l debt and left with the debt at $3 trillion. He tripled the national debt. Bush added about $6 trillion to the national debt. He must, by your logic, be a Socialist too.
What you said about giving it to unions makes no sense. Only 3% of federal spending goes to federal employee salaries. The rest goes to procurements from private companies.
4) Whatever you were saying about union voting (which was incomprehensible) isn't Socialism.
5) You charge that Pres. Obama is "the most liberal progressive socialist in American government ever," but haven't shown he is a Socialist at all. In terms of Social programs, FDR and Johnson started more of them. Eisenhower built the federal highway system and Nixon instituted wage and price controls. OMG! We've always had Socialist Presidents! {run away screaming}
So what's the difference between Marxism and Socialism. You throw out the word progressive, do you believe progressives are Marxists or Socialists?
I see that you must never make typos. When anyone has to bring up spelling it shows that they know they already lost the debate. Set...Gole! And goodnight!
I am so embarassed as a conservative/libertarian in this country calling Obama a socialist. He is far from it. Are you all just spewing talking points, or are you putting intellectual thought into your criticisms? I am watching this Republican debate, and I know their sample size is small and doesn't cover all conservatives, but Obama IS FAR from socialist. He's a neo-conservative, corporatist hack: he is no socialist. Do the Republicans on city-data really think Obama is a socialist This just sounds like uneducated, hot-air.
/rant
Okay, maybe he is not but he sure sounds like one.
I see that you must never make typos. When anyone has to bring up spelling it shows that they know they already lost the debate. Set...Gole! And goodnight!
I asked you if you knew the difference between Marxism and Socialism and you respond by saying that you've read the Bible. Yet I lost the debate???
So what's the difference between Marxism and Socialism. You throw out the word progressive, do you believe progressives are Marxists or Socialists?
It would take pages and days to explain the full implications and ramifications of the Marxist social and economic ideology.
In short, a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in Western societies. Marxism is the opposite of capitalism, Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit. Marxism there are no competition in the market place and no profits to be made, unless your a select chosen one from the central government.
Socialism is a step between a country’s current state and its move to complete communism.
Property and wealth are shared, and their distribution are subject to the control of the people, who exert equal control of the government. The community or state owns all the things used for work production, called the means of production, and thus may also decide what is produced and how to distribute as evenly as possible the moneys paid for things produced.
Socialism is meant to eliminate class warfare, by making everyone equally wealthy, no matter what they do or how productive they are.
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This just sounds like uneducated, hot-air.
