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Old 05-26-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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Lower courts, including the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, previously upheld the law.

Why was the DOJ still after it?
The DOJ wasn't after this law. The US Chambers of Commerce was fighting this law.
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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nor can it impose requirements like ID requirements that are in effect a pro forma charge to vote.
um, the Supreme Court has already ruled that ID can be required in order to vote..
Supreme Court says states can demand photo ID for voting - USATODAY.com
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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um, the Supreme Court has already ruled that ID can be required in order to vote..
Supreme Court says states can demand photo ID for voting - USATODAY.com
Yes. But I didn't challenge that. I said that the state couldn't impose ID requirements that violated people's civil rights. For instance, a state cannot charge thousands of dollars for such ID, because poorer people would be effectively disenfranchised. So, perhaps before you go around smacking your head, you should read what I wrote.

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Old 05-26-2011, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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NO!

It means exactly what you wrote, that the administration would not defend the law before the Court. It does not in any way or fashion mean that the administration will not enforce the law until the Court rules on its Constitutionality.
Seems to me that not defending it would have the same effect as not enforcing it.
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:44 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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um, the Supreme Court has already ruled that ID can be required in order to vote..
Supreme Court says states can demand photo ID for voting - USATODAY.com

Booya!
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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Lower courts, including the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, previously upheld the law.

Why was the DOJ still after it?
The Supreme Court says that the U.S. Congress is legally schizophrenic.


"As of 1983, the employees of Alaska, "the only State to withdraw from the system, and of Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, and Ohio, which never chose to participate in the system," were not covered by Social Security. H. R. Rep. No. 98-25, at 17. Each of those States, however, was party to a § 418 Agreement that provided coverage to local government employees."

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http://www.oyez.org/cases/1980-1989/...5_521/argument

Ex Post Facto reneging on a contract between a State and the U.S. Congress is a form of indian-giving schizophrenia allowed by law, says the United States Supreme Court.

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Old 05-26-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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The fact that the OP doesn't even know the difference between precedent and precedence clearly indicates he has no business discussing Constitutional law.

When did our education system stop teaching people how government and law works?
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Arizona can enforce the e-verify program, which is a great start to getting rid of illegals, pushing them into liberal states that welcome them with open arms.
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:50 AM
 
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Seems to me that not defending it would have the same effect as not enforcing it.
If I were to accurately respond to your "seems to me" I would in all likelihood run afoul of the moderators. Suffice it to say that if you can't understand the distinction between carrying out an act while refusing to defend the act being carried out and the out and out refusal to carry out an act there isn't much hope that anything other than a lighting strike or a burning bush can help you to do so.
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Seems to me that not defending it would have the same effect as not enforcing it.
You are exactly right. This is what obama does best, ignore laws he doesn't like and refuse to defend laws that are on the books.
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