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Old 07-21-2011, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Here
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This has nothing to do with a "agenda" but pure discrimination! Remove the word "Homosexual" and insert a "black" or "hispanic" agenda instead and then it becomes a totally different issue?
Imagine if these owners refused to offer their premesis if it was a black straight couple instead?
The homosexual agenda would like to turn sexual preference into a race. Isn’t going to happen. Do you have any recent examples where service somewhere was refused because of race? The Wildflower Inn is not a racial issue.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:43 PM
 
Location: California
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How long will it be before a church gets sued for refusing to marry 2 men or 2 women?
I'm guessing not long.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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For now, at least. I'm guessing that will likely change at some point when the 9th Circuit Court decides it's somehow unconstitutional.
No, it won't change until Christians (who make up the majority in this country), push to wipe away that separation between state and religion. Because as I said earlier, Christians aren't persecuted by liberals (many of whom are Christians), it's only when Christians press to have Christian beliefs and practices imposed on non-Christians that they experience resistance. And they perceive that resistance to be rejection (which it is), and that rejection to be an attack (which it isn't).
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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No, it won't change until Christians (who make up the majority in this country), push to wipe away that separation between state and religion. Because as I said earlier, Christians aren't persecuted by liberals (many of whom are Christians), it's only when Christians press to have Christian beliefs and practices imposed on non-Christians that they experience resistance. And they perceive that resistance to be rejection (which it is), and that rejection to be an attack (which it isn't).
Baloney. There is a demonstrated history of liberalism that has been implemented via the courts. Constitutionality is irrelevant.

I guarantee you some gay couple will decide they want to be married in a non-gay church and will sue over it. It's likely going to be one of those churches that will marry anyone and everyone, membership not required. They'll sue because their state allows same-gender marriage, either by actual legislation, or because of a liberal court, like Iowa.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Just FYI, The Buddhist wedding ceremony. Not the homosexual wedding ceremony. Do you really think the inn's owners were being asked to partake in the Buddhist wedding ceremony? How so? What personal services were they being asked to perform that were antithetical to their religion? Washing feet?

The inn's owners refused to rent public rooms they routinely rent out to the general public, their refusal being contingent on the couple's sexual orientation. It's against the law. Period.
Again, where in the article did it say it was a Buddhist wedding? Seriously, I feel like I read a completely different article. The inn's owners did say in the article that they do indeed routinely rent out rooms regularly to gay couples but it was the wedding component that seemed to be of issue. By hosting (which is providing a substantive service), they would indeed be partaking in the wedding, but feel free to disagree - I'm sure you will.

You keep saying "It's against the law. Period." Did you miss the part where I said that yes, it is against Vermont law? I was pondering if the inn owner's have a case against the state of Vermont for violating their own civil rights by making them partake in a religious ceremony that is in direct violation of their religious beliefs. I felt I was pretty clear about that, in several posts, might I add.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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The homosexual agenda would like to turn sexual preference into a race. Isn’t going to happen. Do you have any recent examples where service somewhere was refused because of race? The Wildflower Inn is not a racial issue.
But it is a discrimination issue. It doesn't matter if the discrimination is based on race or on any other criteria. It's still discrimination.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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The Vermont inn suit is yet another contemptible example of the homosexual agenda’s hostility directed at the heterosexual world that they feel they are not a part of and don’t fit in. .
Don't you people understand that the desire for gays and lesbians to partake in marriage, rather than being a sign of hatred and hostility at the heterosexual world, is actually the best evidence that they embrace the values of our society and want to participate in it as fully as anyone else?
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:46 PM
 
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since the person you choose to be intimate with isn't equivalent to your skin color, this is really irrelevant.
Your arguement makes no sense. According to you it's ok to discriminate as to what 2 consenting adults do.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:47 PM
 
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For now, at least. I'm guessing that will likely change at some point when the 9th Circuit Court decides it's somehow unconstitutional.
For purposes of having a rational discussion, which you purport to be able to do, I suggest that you leave off guessing and present some evidence.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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For purposes of having a rational discussion, which you purport to be able to do, I suggest that you leave off guessing and present some evidence.
We've got a history of courts implementing liberalism. Gay marriage is a prime example. Even though there was very little public support for it, and no constitutional support, states like Iowa now have it because some liberal hack court decided it had to be so.
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