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What part of "Private establishment" do you not understand? They can reserve the right to serve whomever they want. And there is not a dang thing you can do about it. That's what this country is all about.
You don't like it? Move to Canada. We don't want you here if you don't want to respect my right to private ownership.
No, they can't. The Inn is a business and it agreed to state and federal laws when it signed the business charter. One of those laws, is Vermont's anti-discrimination law. Businesses are not allowed to discriminate there, regardless of who owns them.
Once again, what services? Were they asked to bless the marriage? No. What services, specifically, violate religious tenets? They can't say that they are just opposed to homosexuality, since they have publicly stated that they rent out rooms to homosexuals to sleep in (and do what everyone else does in beds in inns/hotels/motels). So homosexuals can have sex in their rented rooms, but not wedding receptions? Because of the services provided? Changing the sheets after a couple has sex-okay, filling the water glass of homosexual diner-okay, but a sit-down dinner and dance-not okay?
Would not the service be hosting the wedding? Why must they have to only be performing specific acts for it to be against their religious beliefs? They did not discriminate against homosexuals for only being homosexual as they have offered rooms to homosexuals in the past. It was what they deemed a religious ceremony, a wedding, that the owners' objected to hosting. Personally, I think hosting something indeed does require some substantive services in order to host an event. You seem to want to dissect it down to the minutae to determine what is and is not considered substantive. That's not the issue. The issue is whether requiring this inn to host a homosexual wedding is or is not a violation of the inn owner's civil rights and thus, does the law in Vermont violate the inn owner's civil rights?
Well, then why is your breed of religion deemed a "civil right" since religious extremism is immoral ?
I'm not extreme. I don't try to force my beliefs on others like you do.
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No, they can't. The Inn is a business and it agreed to state and federal laws when it signed the business charter. One of those laws, is Vermont's anti-discrimination law. Businesses are not allowed to discriminate there, regardless of who owns them.
Now, that is an actual real argument. I'd be curious to see the legal documentation regarding that. If the business signed an agreement agreeing that they don't have the right to refuse service, you might have a legit argument.
What part of "Private establishment" do you not understand? They can reserve the right to serve whomever they want. And there is not a dang thing you can do about it. That's what this country is all about.
You don't like it? Move to Canada. We don't want you here if you don't want to respect my right to private ownership.
I don't see a lot of conservatives trying to repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act, so blaming it on liberals is knee-jerk partisanship.
Your view of the consitution is up to you, but the ussc has ruled against your view.
This has nothing to do with the civil rights act of 1964. This is a state pushing homosexuality on people religiously opposed to it. The same state handing 30 day sentences to pedophiles who molest children (this state is full of nuts).
Under the law a Business is NOT allowed to discriminate. PERIOD. There is no exception under the law that allows a Business to bare someone for being black, being a female, bring gay, etc.
Actually, that's not true at all. A business is allowed to discriminate in all instances and for any reason EXCEPT against those protected classes. You can bar someone for being a Yankees fan, but not for being black. You can refuse me service because I'm a real estate agent, but not because I'm Irish. Protected class laws do NOT promote equality, they provide additional protections for those classes than the laws provide for most of us. Why do we allow that?
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Actually, that's not true at all. A business is allowed to discriminate in all instances and for any reason EXCEPT against those protected classes. You can bar someone for being a Yankees fan, but not for being black. You can refuse me service because I'm a real estate agent, but not because I'm Irish. Protected class laws do NOT promote equality, they provide additional protections for those classes than the laws provide for most of us. Why do we allow that?
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