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Not at all. I have zero cares about what Adam and Steve do in their own home. But what they choose to do is not equivalent to the skin color someone is born with.
And when has anyone said it is? The point is, my race, my sexual orientation, my religious beliefs, etc all have no effect at all on the life of another. So why should I or anyone else be denied any service or any thing else because of any of them. I'm straight; I wouldn't expect (or accept) a gay hotel owner to refuse me a room just because I'm not gay, so why should gays expect and/or accept a straight hotel owner doing that to them just because they are?
And that's the heart of my question. What if providing those services is in violation of a person's religious beliefs. Now you are weighing one person's civil rights against another. The courts are asked to do this often so this would not be a unique case in that respect. The uniqueness in this particular case is if sexual orientation is a civil right. In Vermont, it is, but what if the inn owners sue the state of Vermont, saying they violated their civil rights based upon discrimination of religious beliefs? So again, has the state of Vermont violated the inn's owners civil rights?
As has been asked several times over the last couple of days in this thread, How does renting the hall, providing coffee urns and maybe providing food 'violate' anyone's religious beliefs?
If a couple thinks that they can sue to get a private establishment to do something that goes against the belief system of the proprietor, why wouldn't they think they can sue to force a church to go against their beliefs?
Prior to this lawsuit had such an establishment been sued based on sexual activity?
The suit is not "based on sexual activity"! It is based on the Inn's proprietors' failure to follow the law.
What part of "Private establishment" do you not understand? They can reserve the right to serve whomever they want. And there is not a dang thing you can do about it. That's what this country is all about.
You don't like it? Move to Canada. We don't want you here if you don't want to respect my right to private ownership.
What part of "an establishment providing gods and/or services to the public" do you not understand? Vermont laws says if you own an establishment that provides goods or services to the public, you cannot discriminate.
Now, that is an actual real argument. I'd be curious to see the legal documentation regarding that. If the business signed an agreement agreeing that they don't have the right to refuse service, you might have a legit argument.
They have a business license. Part of obtaining that license is agreeing to follow all local, state and federal laws concerning that business. Just like 15 years ago when I held a real estate license, I had to agree to follow all laws regarding the sale of real estate in the state I was in at that time. Had I not agreed, I wouldn't have been given that license.
Nope. But I do believe in the Constitution--which liberals don't seem to believe in.
That has to be one of the dumbest statements you have ever made. Could you tell this liberal just what parts of the Constitution I don't believe in? Because I honestly can't think of one.
As has been asked several times over the last couple of days in this thread, How does renting the hall, providing coffee urns and maybe providing food 'violate' anyone's religious beliefs?
If they believe their god, holy book, and religious leaders instruct that marriage is a holy relationship between a woman and man, assisting lesbians in getting married would violate their religious beliefs.
You can trivialize the innkeepers' role, but they've apparently stopped doing any weddings to stick to their religious beliefs.
How does renting the hall, providing coffee urns and maybe providing food 'violate' anyone's religious beliefs?
in true Judaism
1. gay marriage's and solemnization ceremony's are strictly forbidden
2. there is a principle that you can't help someone do a sin and that too is strictly forbidden
3. the act of renting a hall for a so called same gender marriage ceremony is much worse then someone who didn't light hanuka candles.
In some people who don't believe in religion should get out of the business of telling religious people the rules of their religion. As an added point how come when trying to pass these so called marriage laws these same people try to claim that these sort of laws suits won't happen.
As has been asked several times over the last couple of days in this thread, How does renting the hall, providing coffee urns and maybe providing food 'violate' anyone's religious beliefs?
You can word it however you wish to downplay things, but I already posted a link on Catholic beliefs concerning this. You're just unwilling to accept people have different beliefs than you.
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