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Old 08-02-2011, 10:36 PM
 
Location: SC
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My thought is that we should create an infrastructure program nationwide. Anyone on unemployment would become a part of the rebuilding, in one way or another, in order to cash a check. Instant shovel ready jobs.

What's your idea?
Good Idea! I think that all of those on unemployment right now should be put to work to earn their unemployment after the first few months of being unable to find a job. They could sort mail in the post office or something since the post office has been losing money.
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Good Idea! I think that all of those on unemployment right now should be put to work to earn their unemployment after the first few months of being unable to find a job. They could sort mail in the post office or something since the post office has been losing money.
Exactly! The money is being spent to fund couch surfing? If there aren;t any jobs, then create jobs (like they said they would) for the benefit of the common good. It's called dual purposing funds.

We need jobs yet we pay people to not work?
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Well, government work has plenty of room for improvement, but can think of a few million who would take a government contract in second. A job is a job is a job. And any job that will pay a mortgage is good for the rest of us home owners. And there is a lot to do. We need to get out infrastructure up to snuff. New rails, bridges, reinforcing levees, solar water heaters for all homes in the South and Southwest,etc. We used to be the envy of the world. Thanks to the starve the government and grovel for the rich approach of the last few decades, we have a military on loan from God, 1930-1970 infrastructure, and a Gini coefficient of a third world country.

Although the corporations are doing great moneywise, they don't seem to be sharing the love. So, until that changes there is no other choice.
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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My thought is that we should create an infrastructure program nationwide. Anyone on unemployment would become a part of the rebuilding, in one way or another, in order to cash a check. Instant shovel ready jobs.

What's your idea?
I don't know but Obama and his people sure as hell didn't either.

The problem with shovel ready jobs is that most of the jobs of that nature that existed in FDR's day aren't around any longer. Paying men to stand around leaning on shovels is nothing but make work and won't get a lot of construction done.

The biggest problem with that kind of job is that most of the road building jobs I see that call for hand work are handled by Immigrants of one kind or the other. Also, how many of the unemployed are wanting to work outside with their hands. I think very few. Also, you can't take a man off his chair under a desk and slap him in the seat of any kind of heavy machinery where al the jobs would have to be.

I don't think make work jobs like Obama was told about as shovel ready are around in large numbers and there aren't many people who want to work them when they are around.
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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1) Stimulus program funds were aimed at "shovel ready" projects, yet a significant portion remained unused. Not many people are aware of that.
2) Unlike in other countries, where the government is actively involved in many large infrastructure projects (Europe, Japan, China), the US government is not ready for such tasks.
3) US citizens expect private companies to start building new highways and bridges, modernize airports, dig tunnels, develop high speed trains. Its not going to happen.
You are forgetting your talking points again. Investing in America is socialism!

Really, all bridges and roads should be built by privateers and should be toll roads. Clean water? Sure just pay a company to keep your river clean. Clean air? How about a business for that too. Nuclear inspectors? Nope, we need that to all be privatize to get rid of all that government waste. National Parks? Nah, that is boring. You need Epcot Everglades-The Ultimate Experience (TM)!
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Good Idea! I think that all of those on unemployment right now should be put to work to earn their unemployment after the first few months of being unable to find a job. They could sort mail in the post office or something since the post office has been losing money.
I didn't see any money aimed at the Post Office in the Stimulus. Also, I wonder how many of those unemployed people can't read well enough to sort mail.
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:58 PM
 
Location: SC
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Well, government work has plenty of room for improvement, but can think of a few million who would take a government contract in second. A job is a job is a job. And any job that will pay a mortgage is good for the rest of us home owners. And there is a lot to do. We need to get out infrastructure up to snuff. New rails, bridges, reinforcing levees, solar water heaters for all homes in the South and Southwest,etc. We used to be the envy of the world. Thanks to the starve the government and grovel for the rich approach of the last few decades, we have a military on loan from God, 1930-1970 infrastructure, and a Gini coefficient of a third world country.

Although the corporations are doing great moneywise, they don't seem to be sharing the love. So, until that changes there is no other choice.
The LAST thing we need (like a hole in the head) are new government jobs or new government contracts. Taxpayers end up paying for $7000 toilets due to contractors over charging the government. Anytime the government gets involved the price goes UP! We need to STOP the government from getting involved in anything except the military PERIOD!

People need to understand that government DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. All it does is TAKE from the private sector. Expansion of the government and all these new departments are WHY we are in the mess we are in and up to our noses in debt - in addition to the bankster bailouts of course.
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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I don't know but Obama and his people sure as hell didn't either.

The problem with shovel ready jobs is that most of the jobs of that nature that existed in FDR's day aren't around any longer. Paying men to stand around leaning on shovels is nothing but make work and won't get a lot of construction done.

The biggest problem with that kind of job is that most of the road building jobs I see that call for hand work are handled by Immigrants of one kind or the other. Also, how many of the unemployed are wanting to work outside with their hands. I think very few. Also, you can't take a man off his chair under a desk and slap him in the seat of any kind of heavy machinery where al the jobs would have to be.

I don't think make work jobs like Obama was told about as shovel ready are around in large numbers and there aren't many people who want to work them when they are around.
Good points. I do agree that the work has changed, and that many would rather drink goat urine than do hard work. However, I do like the notion of having folks in need of extended unemployment insurance and foodstamps helping somehow. It is hard not to believe that working for America would not be better for the person's self esteem than being a leech, even if temporarily. While I grant someone needs to have some flexibility for interview, application,etc., I do think work is good for the soul. One of the unintended consequences of our desire to educate our citizens is that they quickly get to be careerists who are "too good to" do anything except their chosen profession. They cannot endure the "shame" of working in working class jobs. There is never shame in an honest day's work.
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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The LAST thing we need (like a hole in the head) are new government jobs or new government contracts. Taxpayers end up paying for $7000 toilets due to contractors over charging the government. Anytime the government gets involved the price goes UP! We need to STOP the government from getting involved in anything except the military PERIOD!

People need to understand that government DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. All it does is TAKE from the private sector. Expansion of the government and all these new departments are WHY we are in the mess we are in and up to our noses in debt - in addition to the bankster bailouts of course.
This sounds like religion to me, not reasoning. Look around you. Are there any dams or hydroelectic facilities? Levees? Highways? Railroads? Airports? All are provided by government investment, and I would suspect you use most of them for free. And people were employed in your area to build them. It is the reality all around the world, except here. But we undertax our wealthiest citizens so they can buy politicians, play parlor games on Wall Street, and we keep hoping they will do things for us out of thankfulness. It is like waiting for the rapture.
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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My thought is that we should create an infrastructure program nationwide. Anyone on unemployment would become a part of the rebuilding, in one way or another, in order to cash a check. Instant shovel ready jobs.

What's your idea?
How about a real private sector job that last beyond the gument giveaway?
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