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This sounds like religion to me, not reasoning. Look around you. Are there any dams or hydroelectic facilities? Levees? Highways? Railroads? Airports? All are provided by government investment, and I would suspect you use most of them for free. And people were employed in your area to build them. It is the reality all around the world, except here. But we undertax our wealthiest citizens so they can buy politicians, play parlor games on Wall Street, and we keep hoping they will do things for us out of thankfulness. It is like waiting for the rapture.
I think I know what you meant with those bolded words but maybe you need to explain it since I couldn't see anything religious in that post you were answering.
Do you pay any income taxes without getting them all back? I ask this because I am very sure that many of the people who worry so much about the taxes the wealthiest people pay have been sucked in by the far left and are working for that very group.
This sounds like religion to me, not reasoning. Look around you. Are there any dams or hydroelectic facilities? Levees? Highways? Railroads? Airports? All are provided by government investment, and I would suspect you use most of them for free. And people were employed in your area to build them. It is the reality all around the world, except here. But we undertax our wealthiest citizens so they can buy politicians, play parlor games on Wall Street, and we keep hoping they will do things for us out of thankfulness. It is like waiting for the rapture.
Would it be unfair to suggest that my state has been held up on construction of two coal fired generators by EPA regulations for over 2 years? It is happening and it is costing around 2000 jobs not to go ahead. Maybe if we did away with the Obama regulatory agencies who make and enforce their own rules we could see lots of folks working and even be benefiting our nation. Whoops, I forgot, the EPA is there to keep the air clean and to hell with the people of today.
I think I know what you meant with those bolded words but maybe you need to explain it since I couldn't see anything religious in that post you were answering.
Do you pay any income taxes without getting them all back? I ask this because I am very sure that many of the people who worry so much about the taxes the wealthiest people pay have been sucked in by the far left and are working for that very group.
Sure. Rightwing, antigovernment ideology is all about belief, not reasoning. We are being fleeced by our own companies, and we have decided that government is the villian. Government is intended to serve. It inefficient, but it does many things that matter and that make our lives better. All civilized countries have a public sector that does all kinds of things. The private sector (or at least the largest companies) have largely abandoned us during this recession, yet hard right people argue as if the only legitimate enterprise is private.
Would it be unfair to suggest that my state has been held up on construction of two coal fired generators by EPA regulations for over 2 years? It is happening and it is costing around 2000 jobs not to go ahead. Maybe if we did away with the Obama regulatory agencies who make and enforce their own rules we could see lots of folks working and even be benefiting our nation. Whoops, I forgot, the EPA is there to keep the air clean and to hell with the people of today.
Well, I wrote a letter to Obama just last week (as promised) about not increasing regulations at EPA until we get out of this mess. So, I see your beef. That said, I don't know the issues and the environmental compliance issues at hand in that case. And I think pulling the plug on the EPA as a whole is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Would it be unfair to suggest that my state has been held up on construction of two coal fired generators by EPA regulations for over 2 years?
Probably a good thing. We all need clean air.
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It is happening and it is costing around 2000 jobs not to go ahead.
So why not abandon the Coal, Coal, gotta burn Coal plant and go with Renewable?
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Maybe if we did away with the Obama regulatory agencies who make and enforce their own rules we could see lots of folks working and even be benefiting our nation.
ummm, the EPA was a Nixon era agency.
They first got bag-houses on the Coal plants to keep the particulates down, and then scrubbers to keep the Sulfur / Acid Rain down, now Hg, and some day soon, less and less Coal. Good things, all-in-all.
But Natural Gas and Renewables are beating Coal out of the market, anyway.
So why do you want more of the last century's dying "technology?"
If we can even call burning Coal a "technology?"
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Whoops, I forgot, the EPA is there to keep the air clean and to hell with the people of today.
It is a little bit more about the people of tomorrow. Kids, yunno. If you can get out the Me, Me, Me, it is all about Me mindset, you may be able to consider that.
But again, why not have those 2000 folks building Renewable Energy plants?
My thought is that we should create an infrastructure program nationwide. Anyone on unemployment would become a part of the rebuilding, in one way or another, in order to cash a check. Instant shovel ready jobs.
Too bad you have an EPA, an OSHA and a Department of Labor.
That bars the possibility that such programs would be open to "anyone on unemployment."
They would only be open to those who met EPA, OSHA, DOL, State EPA and State OSHA training guidelines and certifications.
My thought is that we should create an infrastructure program nationwide. Anyone on unemployment would become a part of the rebuilding, in one way or another, in order to cash a check. Instant shovel ready jobs.
What's your idea?
That is what I thought Obama's 3 Trillion Dollar Stimulus plan was going to be. No doubt any plan would be a wreckage by nature. But, like the New Deal, which could at least still boast Red Rocks and other creations that hid its deeper insanity, it would have at least resulted in some tangible results.
Oh well....
If our government apparatus could rationally create jobs, it would do so all the time. Now of course it could. And we all know how the USSR and its Eastern European dominions worked out.
Obama should assist the unemployed, which, to be fair, he has. And then he should get out of the way and stop trying to micromanage what cannot be managed.
Government is too slow to create shovel ready infrastructure projects. It takes years to research and plan road projects and go through the red tape.
I haven't sompletely thought this through, but it might work better (more efficiently) to provide incentives to companies, not through tax breaks for being able to submit a distorted record of some activity that allows them to qualify, but for performance or reaching a stated goal. For example, we currently give grants and breaks for people doing energy research, some of which simply isn't realistic. We could say there is a billion waiting for the first group that comes up with a viable fuel alternative and also for the group that engineers the mechanism of storage and delivery. There could be incentives for anything we need to develop like more efficient batteries or other methods of power storage. You could name a need in about any industry. This might get people to hire and encourage private investment.
You are forgetting your talking points again. Investing in America is socialism!
Really, all bridges and roads should be built by privateers and should be toll roads. Clean water? Sure just pay a company to keep your river clean. Clean air? How about a business for that too. Nuclear inspectors? Nope, we need that to all be privatize to get rid of all that government waste. National Parks? Nah, that is boring. You need Epcot Everglades-The Ultimate Experience (TM)!
Maybe they should be, but its not happening and its not going to happen soon. However, the fact is that the longest bridge in the world (32 mile) in China, was built by their government. The bullet trains of Japan and France, the German autobahns, the newest airports in the far east - all government led projects. The private sector is not going to initiate and push forward any such projects. At most they may join later, when immediate profits are visible. The only big projects pushed by private businesses is oil drilling. Are you aware of others?
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