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Old 02-05-2012, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Funny when anyone thinks they can generalize to such a point as this. One of the former heads of the GOP party in Hawaii has an IQ above 180. I know him personally.

Ever heard about cryptologists and their typical IQs? One's in my family....he's a diehard conservative.

I won't name them all but 'tween my family and associates, if I am to believe this report then I have to be utterly amazed, no shocked at how we "beat the ods" in such a dramatic way. We're all conservative, and many of us Christians from South Texas.

Sunnysee, the left has a seemingly insatiable need to 'call them stupid.' It's a form of self-reassurance.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: London
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Funny when anyone thinks they can generalize to such a point as this. One of the former heads of the GOP party in Hawaii has an IQ above 180. I know him personally.

Ever heard about cryptologists and their typical IQs? One's in my family....he's a diehard conservative.

I won't name them all but 'tween my family and associates, if I am to believe this report then I have to be utterly amazed, no shocked at how we "beat the ods" in such a dramatic way. We're all conservative, and many of us Christians from South Texas.
The truth is that there are so many definitions of intelligence that it is always going to be hard to accurately quantify the veracity of claims made by studies such as these. Yes, I am 'left-wing' but I wasn't trying to be smug by pointing out the results of this study more than I was making a light-hearted observation about how the Daily Mail cleverly manipulated its own audience by deliberately inciting them to the point where they would boil over and literally explode with incandescent rage.

And for all their defiant posturing it is clear from their reaction (whether deliberately provoked or not by their media establishment purveyors of conservative wisdom) that they DO take the results of this study seriously.

But to use your comment as an example of one of the many different ways in which intelligence is assumed, derogatorily dismissed or categorised religion is often one factor in which many people will use as an indicator of someone with a low IQ. I happen to be a christian too but obviously some of the most esteemed and respected scientists will point to Darwinism and what they perceive as irrefutable scientific proof as evidence that anyone who believed in religion would have to be someone of a lower intellect.

For what it's worth I personally believe (and I'm speaking just for myself here, I am not a spokesman for the left or anyone else) that religion and politics come from the heart not the brain and our beliefs are intrinsically aligned to the experiences and perceptions of life as weighed against our experiences and the adversities in which we strive to overcome.

Take the most corrosive and repellant ideology and you will always find people of astounding intelligence that have devoted their lives and work to advancing destructive and turbulent periods in our history. The Nazi regime for instance was very astute militarily and very efficient in its engineering and ability to maneuver tanks, weaponry and tacticians that revolutionised the field of battle. Insane, cruel and despicable though they were, they certainly weren't stupid.

To me there are many different types of intelligence. Academically someone can be a significantly high achiever but lack the basic social sense and intelligence to navigate themselves around a major city at 3am without sticking out like a sore thumb and getting their laptop/i-phone stolen. Academic intelligence is one thing, street smarts another. Some people are naturally perceptive and astute, others natural leaders. Literary intelligence is very different to mathmaical intelligence and so on.....

Whatever your perceptions everyone will have their own perception of intelligence and what they define intelligence to be. I stick to my long held belief that though I do personally have to pinch myself in bewilderment at times at (what I perceive to be from my political viewpoint) the naivety, stupidity and propensity of the public to allow themselves to be deliberately misguided by the self-serving political elites and media establishment I still regard political ideology as something that is personal and that is a reflection more of your soul and your integrity than a score on an academic's test paper.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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I think the desire to listen to partisan blowhards all day and parrot them on boards like this is a sign of questionable intelligence. Smart people think for themselves. Now partisans of both sides do it, but partisan demagoguery has a strong right wing flavor these days. As do most of the threads in this forum. Draw your own conclusions.
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Old 02-05-2012, 07:01 PM
 
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There was also a study back in the 60's that one's political perceptions were shaped by their world view when they were in the 5th. grade.
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Old 02-05-2012, 07:57 PM
 
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...well, if it's on the internet...it must be true...lol!
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You have to be pretty damn stupid to think paying people to stay poor is a good thing.

You have to be pretty damn stupid to think paying young girls to birth bastards is a good thing.

You have to be pretty damn stupid to think that the war on poverty has accomplished anything. Just compare the 1964 stats to todays and you will realize the Great Society programs produced nothing but debt.
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: London
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You have to be pretty damn stupid to think paying people to stay poor is a good thing.

You have to be pretty damn stupid to think paying young girls to birth bastards is a good thing.

You have to be pretty damn stupid to think that the war on poverty has accomplished anything. Just compare the 1964 stats to todays and you will realize the Great Society programs produced nothing but debt.
By using the state as a lender of last resort that is precisely what the financial sector is doing though. Using Government subsidies to subsidise an unsustainable way of life that is detrimental to the living standards of those living in an aggressively adhered to libertarian free market.

You can scowl and vent your spleen at the man one rung below the ladder than you all you want. It won't be long before the 'Pursuit Of Happiness' fantacists are knocking on your door and asking you for a rent demand you can no longer afford or a letter that will arrive on your doorstep telling you that your health insurance will no longer be valid. The deficit was brought about by the financial sector's complete and selfish lack of desire to take any responsibility for having emergency funds in reserve in case of a catastrophic economic downturn.

In effect they basically said we'll keep all our illicit profits and dump the toxic debt on the government. They also went ahead and plundered the world economy into debt for generations simply so the taxpayer could prop up their failed businesses and take them back at a bargain basement price when the going is good. Therefore the successes of financial excess are stored in tax havens for rainy days, the failures socialised so the rest of us can pick up the tab.

The financial sector is the biggest welfare recipient of them all. For instance, they insist on passing more and more of the buck onto 'the big bad state' that they purport to rage against (but secretly adore for the propensity to bail out and rig the system in their favour) as well as members of the public who are expected to top up living wages that employers refuse to pay in the form of tips and taxes for welfare.

Imagine how much more money would be flowing in the American economy if employers even vaguely pretended to strive for a modicum of wage equilibrium that would see the exhorbitant wealth of the very rich toned down just a little and the wages of the poor and middle-class raised not drmatically but in a reasonable adjustment to living costs and inflation.

The trouble is exhorbitant and lopsided wealth distorts the market, creates an unsteady economic climate subservient to boom and bust economics and actively creates what it disingenuously masquerades as raging against. A state where there is communism for the rich, capitalism and poverty for everbody else.

The super-rich in Norway are no less happy because they are multi-millionaires rather than billionaires. Just how much more of the cake do you want to shove down your piehole's? Enough is enough. In Norway the rich are actually happy with a life of unbridled luxury in a society that has eradicated child poverty in preference to seeking an ever expending gut and global domination for no good reason other than to massage your own ego and play hardball war games with other people's lives. Neo-Conservatism is a busted flush.

None of those paid, funded and scripted by the wealthy "Wall Street traders are the embodiment of blue collar America" hacks truly represent the working man. And their attempt to twist the confessed failure (ask Alan Greenspan) of neo-Liberalism into a pitchfork waving lynchmob sought to wreak vengeance on the disabled, poor and the vulnerable is a cynical manaeuver aimed at nothing else than lining their own pockets. if you can't see through the smokescreen now then you never will.

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Old 02-06-2012, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I know alot of so called smart people by the worlds standards , that don't have a lick of common sense. Just leave the liberals into their own devices against the conservatives who makes better choices.

Then let's see as the liberals destroy themselves with their so called elitist knowledge.
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