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I have no problem with the poor, as long as they are supporting themselves.
Both of my grandfathers raised huge families and were poor because of it, they never took a dime of assistance and they lived long, honest, happy lives.
That's how I feel about it and if someone is going to tell me that I hate the poor then that is their problem.
Okay, I've read a lot of posts here the past couple of years, and I've often put out the accusation that most conservatives hate poor people. Conservatives, of course vehemently deny it and say that they don't know anyone who feels that way, so I thought I'd start this thread and ask this honest question. What is your attitude toward the poor?
1. Are they mostly people who have had hard luck?
2. Or are they worthless scum and are a drain on society?
3. Is there such a thing as "working poor" in your mind? And if so, about what portion of America's poor do you deem to be "working poor."
4. What would you do if you witnessed poverty in your own life--not if YOU became poor, but if you came into contact with a poor person, child or family?
5. Do you or have you done anything to help relieve poverty in your community? If so, what do you do? I'm not asking you to brag, but just share if you do.
You might think I'm trolling, but I'm actually curious, since you all deny that you hate poor people. I promise I'll read your responses with an open mnd. I swear.
I've seen, read and heard as much - the urban black underclass is astonishingly well networked, ready, and able to take advantage of all freebie programs which come down the pike.
It's a lot like Al D'Amato's friends gaming the local housing program on Long Island, but on a much larger scale.
But what exactly was this $5000 grant program? I've never heard of such a thing. Where do I sign up?
The urban black underclass may not do well in school, but they are certainly not dumb when it comes to signing up for free money (and the employees at HUD make it their business to walk everyone through the process anyway). I find it amusing that liberals ALWAYS think inner city minorities couldn't possibly take advantage of government programs because they aren't that smart--yet they think it's the conservatives who are racist.
FYI, it doesn't take a genius to get on the phone tree and call all your friends when you get the call from your buddy at HUD that there's a new give-away program coming online.
And this particular program is statewide in Florida, called "SHIP" (State Housing Initiatives Partnership), and it's changed a bit since I was there--now it's $10,000, and some of the money is available to people making up to 120% of area median income --but here's the link to the Palm Beach County program I worked on : State Housing Initiative Program
Other local governments in Florida have their own specifics as to how they give out the money, which they receive from the state in amounts from $350,000 to over $8.8 million. Here's what the money is supposed to be used for: "SHIP dollars may be used to fund emergency repairs, new construction, rehabilitation, down payment and closing cost assistance, impact fees, construction and gap financing, mortgage buy-downs, acquisition of property for affordable housing, matching dollars for federal housing grants and programs, and homeownership counseling. SHIP funds may be used to assist units that meet the standards of chapter 553; SHIP funds may also be used to assist manufactured housing constructed after June 1994 in accordance with the installation standards defined in the rules of the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles." Florida Housing Finance Corporation
2. Or are they worthless scum and are a drain on society?
Same as above.
3. Is there such a thing as "working poor" in your mind? And if so, about what portion of America's poor do you deem to be "working poor."
Certainly. Again, I have no idea of the percentage.
4. What would you do if you witnessed poverty in your own life--not if YOU became poor, but if you came into contact with a poor person, child or family?
Happens often. I've given to charities, I've worked in the local shelter cooking and serving food. I've bought people meals at restaurants. I give Christmas presents etc. My job often puts me in contact with people that are poor. I've provided services to people for free if they couldn't pay.
5. Do you or have you done anything to help relieve poverty in your community? If so, what do you do? I'm not asking you to brag, but just share if you do.
I guess I talked about that above, but I'm not really in a position to "relieve poverty" on a large scale.
that's why the legal resident poor e.g. burger flippers have already lost the issue - they lose to any constituency that's not detested (e.g. sex offenders) unless some big player(s) joins in (e.g. big conservative cash and organization)
The urban black underclass may not do well in school, but they are certainly not dumb when it comes to signing up for free money (and the employees at HUD make it their business to walk everyone through the process anyway). I find it amusing that liberals ALWAYS think inner city minorities couldn't possibly take advantage of government programs because they aren't that smart--yet they think it's the conservatives who are racist.
FYI, it doesn't take a genius to get on the phone tree and call all your friends when you get the call from your buddy at HUD that there's a new give-away program coming online.
And this particular program is statewide in Florida, called "SHIP" (State Housing Initiatives Partnership), and it's changed a bit since I was there--now it's $10,000, and some of the money is available to people making up to 120% of area median income --but here's the link to the Palm Beach County program I worked on : State Housing Initiative Program
Other local governments in Florida have their own specifics as to how they give out the money, which they receive from the state in amounts from $350,000 to over $8.8 million. Here's what the money is supposed to be used for: "SHIP dollars may be used to fund emergency repairs, new construction, rehabilitation, down payment and closing cost assistance, impact fees, construction and gap financing, mortgage buy-downs, acquisition of property for affordable housing, matching dollars for federal housing grants and programs, and homeownership counseling. SHIP funds may be used to assist units that meet the standards of chapter 553; SHIP funds may also be used to assist manufactured housing constructed after June 1994 in accordance with the installation standards defined in the rules of the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles." Florida Housing Finance Corporation
oh silly me, i should have known - not a penny for renters. yes i've seen siimilar programs in michigan. but they're useless to those who cannot get conventional-lender mortgages. i had prvate individual financing lined up but that doesn't qualify for the program.
I HATE people that cheat the system and worse, justify it i.e. "everyone's doing it" WHICH IS WRONG.. because not everyone is doing it.
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