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Old 06-07-2014, 02:28 PM
 
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Save your breath. This is a poster who thinks Canadians live in igloos.
Wish we did sometimes. Just priced a replacement for our over twenty year old Carrier full HVAC system. Cripes!
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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Up front I will admit to not reading every post in this thread so if this has already been mentioned I apologize. For those who are looking for examples of socialism success, look no further than the NFL.
Thats right, the National Football League, socialism at work.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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Socialism is always doomed to failure due to the fact it has to rely on other people's money.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:28 PM
 
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The incentive to work and get ahead goes out the window with socialism. If someone works harder and makes more money they just have to give more money to the government . That is the way of socialism and their hard work is for the government handouts.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Socialism is always doomed to failure due to the fact it has to rely on other people's money.
Actually it relies upon those who are driven to succeed supporting those who are content to let others carry them. Eventually you will get to a point where there aren't enough people left to support the non-productive among them. That and it is always greedy and dishonorable people who manage social systems. Look no further than the VA for proof of that.
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:12 PM
 
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With all this Occupy Wall Street protesting going on, it seems that these people are advocating a more socialist government. But, has socialism ever worked over the long term, to the point that it would be better than capitalist U.S. policy? Can someone give me examples of successful socialist countries that have lasted for the LONG TERM and/or will likely last for the LONG TERM? Should the U.S. envy other socialist countries? Does it really work better as these Occupy Wall Street people believe it would? Honestly, it seems like the Tea Party of the left.

Enlighten me.
Easy. United States.

We've had socialism for roughly the past 100 years, there really isn't any purely socialist countries. If you think we're solid capitalists than you're just silly.

There's also the Scandinavian countries.

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I can name a couple: Cuba has been very sucessful, -for Fidel Castro. China has been very successful, -for the communist party.
If you can make everybody else your slave, you will be very, very, very successful.
Socialism isn't communism. Only ignorant Americans who don't pickup a dictionary think they're the same.
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Old 06-07-2014, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Florida
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With Obama passing Obamacare and mandating or dictating that Americans must buy a product we are now being dictated to by our government.. our liberties have been taken away and the power the government now has is a dictatorship.
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Old 06-07-2014, 07:49 PM
 
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With Obama passing Obamacare and mandating or dictating that Americans must buy a product we are now being dictated to by our government.. our liberties have been taken away and the power the government now has is a dictatorship.
Passed by the House on 10/8/2009 and Senate on 12/24/2009.

Might want to grab a dictionary and look up dictatorship.
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Passed by the House on 10/8/2009 and Senate on 12/24/2009.

Might want to grab a dictionary and look up dictatorship.
Dictatorship ruled by one party passed Obamacare.. the democratic party in the dark of night.. shoved down the throats of American people. Obama bypasses the congress, bypasses the Constitution.

I believe you better read about what a dictatorship is and find out Obama meets all the requirements of what a dictatorship is , including his tactics for leading his followers around by the nose .

dictatorship (a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator, not restricted by a constitution, laws or opposition, etc.).[21] Dictatorship may take the form of authoritarianism or totalitarianism.

Totalitarian dictatorships involve a "single party led by a single powerful individual with a powerful secret police and a highly developed ideology." Here, the government has "total control of mass communications and social and economic organizations".[

Authoritarianism is a form of government.[1][2][3] It is characterized by absolute or blind[4] obedience to [formal] authority, as against individual freedom and related to the expectation of unquestioning obedience.[5]
Juan Linz, whose 1964 description of authoritarianism is influential,[6] characterized authoritarian regimes as political systems by four qualities: (1) "limited, not responsible, political pluralism"; that is, constraints on political institutions and groups (such as legislatures, political parties and interest groups), (2) a basis for legitimacy based on emotion, especially the identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems" such as underdevelopment or insurgency; (3) neither "intensive nor extensive political mobilization" and constraints on the mass public (such as repressive tactics against opponents and a prohibition of anti-regime activity) and (4) "formally ill-defined" executive power, often shifting or vague.[7]


Authoritarian regimes are also sometimes subcategorized by whether they are personalistic or populist. Personalistic authoritarian regimes are characterized by arbitrary rule and authority exercised "mainly through patronage networks and coercion rather than through institutitions and formal rules."[9] Personalistic authoritarian regimes have been seen in post-colonial Africa. By contrast, populist authoritarian regimes "are mobilizational regimes in which a strong, charismatic, manuipulative leader rules through a coalition involving key lower-class groups." One example is Argentina under PerĂ³n.
Authoritarianism is characterized by highly concentrated and centralized power maintained by political repression and the exclusion of potential challengers. It uses political parties and mass organizations to mobilize people around the goals of the regime.[10]
Authoritarianism also tends to embrace the informal and unregulated exercise of political power, a leadership that is "self-appointed and even if elected cannot be displaced by citizens' free choice among competitors," the arbitrary deprivation of civil liberties, and little tolerance for meaningful opposition.[10]
A range of social controls also attempt to stifle civil society, while political stability is maintained by control over and support of the armed forces, a bureaucracy staffed by the regime, and creation of allegiance through various means of socialization and indoctrination.[10]
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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Easy. United States.

We've had socialism for roughly the past 100 years, there really isn't any purely socialist countries. If you think we're solid capitalists than you're just silly.
I see. So then if we're socialist, then why all the protests for more spending on entitlements, more taxes on rich people, more government control of the economy?

So we have socialist elements in this country. That's true, but that does not make us an example of socialism. I mean, there are eskimos in Alaska, which is part of the United States. Does that make us an eskimo nation?
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There's also the Scandinavian countries.
Yes, that's the expected answer. Of course, we have individual cities that are more populous than some entire Scandinavian nations. For example, New York City alone has close to twice the population of Denmark. I don't think I'm alone in that when I say socialism doesn't work, I mean in a large nation. If you have a geographically small nation with a tiny population and a limited economy with homogeneous demographics then sure socialism can work. Under those circumstances, virtually any governmental structure could work. It's when you have a large landmass with complex economy filled with a big population of diverse groups that socialism is unworkable.
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Socialism isn't communism. Only ignorant Americans who don't pickup a dictionary think they're the same.
So the person making comments about ignorant Americans is claiming that the United States is a socialist nation. Got it.
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