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Old 10-12-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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You should read the Japanses history books, they start with the bombs being dropped for some indeterminant reason.
Thank you for pointing out this topic of which I wasn't aware before.
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Old 10-12-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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As far as I am concerned, no apology is sufficient for what they did to allied POWs, interned civilians and the people of the countries they occupied.

Neither is there any need for us to apologize to the Japanese for the legitimate use of nuclear weapons in wartime. The Japanese sowed the wind and they reaped the whirlwind.
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:18 PM
 
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As far as I am concerned, no apology is sufficient for what they did to allied POWs, interned civilians and the people of the countries they occupied.

Neither is there any need for us to apologize to the Japanese for the legitimate use of nuclear weapons in wartime. The Japanese sowed the wind and they reaped the whirlwind.

"the legitimate use of nuclear weapons"???

Never heard of that...
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Um, we've apologized as a Nation many times (under various Presidents) to Japan for "nuking" them. All of those apologies went refused for acknowledgement. 70 years and they've never forgiven the US for nuking them.

that's all right, there are a few US Americans that refuse to take Japan's apology for bombing Pearl Harbor.
Japan has NEVER acknowledged the torture and murders of US and other allied POW's, and in their memorial to their dead, refused to mention them. This is many generations since. Germany acknowledges and teaches its atorcities. Japan doesn't seem to think they did anything wrong, even now.

Why should they accept an apology when it implies they'd have to give one?
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:41 PM
 
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I am in no way a liberal....but I have to say.....the war was pretty much won long before the bombing started. The atomic bombs were dropped to "seal" the deal.

anyways, between the firebombing (hundreds of thousands of civilians killed ) and the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, they would have been considered war crimes by our standards today.
I don't know if you know this or not but japan decided to side with Nazi Germany who at the time was killing Jews en masse. But that's not the worst part. They were doing experiments on people and using the leftovers from the dead to make things like soap for the Jews that they kept around to steal the baggage of the future victims as they arrived on trains en masse so the Nazi's didn't have to physically work or smell the ones they were make working.

And the Japanese population fully approved... That makes them as fair game as anyone else in the whole conflict and by whatever means necessary.

The atomic bomb scares people but atomic medicine doesn't. What a conundrum.

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Old 10-12-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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an actor and two bushes are still better than an obummer and a sexual harrasser(clinton)

it was the actor and the two bushes who put us into economic downturns in the 80's and early 2000's.

At least Obama had the biggest terrorist threat killed during his watch. At least Clinton had a positive economic impact (that's means his term he helped reduce the debt, of which Bush thoroughly negated twice over)
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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LOL, Obama can't even get folks to accept his apologies. They know the horrors their leaders committed, and they accepted their responsibility.

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I don't understand.
They refused to surrender - not once, but TWICE.

Why would you apologize?
Let them have some dignity and the pride of taking responsibility for their own actions. Geezus.

Shut up and sit down, Obama.
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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1) Obama is not in position to apologize for any WW2 atrocities. Nobody from the current generation can, including the POTUS.
2) Neither can current generation Japanese. For who can they accept apologies? For people burned by a nuclear bomb? Impossible! And they cannot apologize to Japanese victims in China, Korea or the Philippines for what their ancestors did.
WW2 with all its atrocities ended in 1945. Case closed.
A group of American POW's, a couple of years ago, were invited to Japan for a goodwill visit. They went, but wanted just ONE thing. These men were survivors of one of the death marches and simply wanted Japan to apologise for their actions. They didn't want money and they don't hate the current generation. They believed that it was important to have someone take responsibility.

Japan refused. Not all the victums are dead and those who grew up seeing the damage have a stake in it too. A culture which will not acknowledge that they did brutal actions and take responsibility is one which can not ever realistically deal with its past.

The nuking of the cities was horrific and we have acknowledged it happened and we understand the concequences. We never said we should not have. You cannot undo what you did. But you can acknowledge you did it, which does matter.

In an ironic sort of way, it may have saved more than the thousands who would have died in an invasion of Japan on foot. (Japanese AND allied troops). It was a demonstration of why not to that shocked the world. Nobody, not even the scientists involved, really understood the power of the bombs they made, but all the world could see and we *knew* what kind of a world we'd be left with if we went to war with the atomic bomb. Which is probably *why* we didn't.
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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Insanity trumps reason, the blind lead the blind, and the nation falters.
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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LOL, Obama can't even get folks to accept his apologies. They know the horrors their leaders committed, and they accepted their responsibility.

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What does this have to do with Obama? Your ignorant bias is showing.......
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