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What exactly is so expensive? You get what you can afford, thats how it always has been and always will be.
If you can afford filet mignon, you get filet mignon. If you can only afford chicken, well then so be it, but you surely arent entitled to filet mignon.
Go to the college you can afford. You can spend $5,000 a year or you can spend $40,000+. No one is forcing you to the $40,000+ one a year.
And, if when they get out of college and can't get a job, they should be able
to file bankruptcy on their college debt, just like any other consumer debt.
See how that works
I really don't see how in practice the US system is grossly different. The top students get greatly reduced or free tuition....the masses have to pay full price but many of them wouldn't have been able to attend college in Germany and would have been routed vocational.
I do think it is quite different. I attended university myself and didn't pay a single cent in tuition in all those years. And since my family was lower middle-class, I even received an interest-free loan from the state in order to help pay my rent and food, just a few thousand Marks over the years. I easily paid it back during the first year of my first job and that was it. Thanks to the loan I did not have to work while attending university and could thus concentrate on my education
But in my view education should not be treated like luxury cars or food, everyone should have access to the same quality education because education is like health, everyone deserves the best regardless of the size of their wallet.
If you graduate from a crap college, your chances of getting a good job afterwards will be lower as well.
How about a system where tuition is the same for everyone during the first year, and the marks achieved during the freshman year will determine the height of tuition for the second year: the better the marks, the lower the tuition This might motivate people to study hard...
Basically, what you are proposing is already taken care of PRIOR to college in terms of the coursework, grades and testing.
If you went to a crap college then that's what your prior effort merited. It's not like you put up a 1450 SAT and got randomly shoved off to study marketing at some crappy southern football school with the athletes and cheerleaders.
The problem there is that education NEEDS to be different because you don't have a universal population of entrants. There is a reason you need to be in the top 1/2% to get into MIT's engineering school and so forth and the education people like that need is going to be a completely different animal than someone getting a softer degree from one of the state schools populated by the 40-50th percentile.
Such a system only works in the long term, generation after generation. So, if you pay someone else's tuition today, they will later on get a good job and in turn pay your kid's tuition, and so on.
But why dont the parents of the kid pay for it or the kid do 4 years military service save some bucks and pay for it themselves?
Why inflict this upon everyone?
I do think it is quite different. I attended university myself and didn't pay a single cent in tuition in all those years. And since my family was lower middle-class, I even received an interest-free loan from the state in order to help pay my rent and food, just a few thousand Marks over the years. I easily paid it back during the first year of my first job and that was it. Thanks to the loan I did not have to work while attending university and could thus concentrate on my education
From what I observed at Heidelberg, every German gets plenty of interest free loans. Its no wonder they often stay in University until they are 30.
I must admit, my stint at Heidelberg was like a budget resort. Subsidized rent, subsidized beer, lots of discounts for movies and transportation.
There are some good ideas there Neuling. But yours is a country that is too rigid and stratified by class. America is too indiviualistic for that kind of thinking. It works for you and that is fine. But we don't want it here and that is that.
University education in Germany is very elitist. They decide when you are 12 years old whether you are on a college track or a vocational track.
The Left would howl and scream if we adopted something akin to that. And they would be right.
That's not the case. Anyone can go to college as long as they meet the official requirements. You can still obtain those when you are 30 or 50 and decide you want to attend university after all.
Former chancellor Schröder for instance got his college admission qualification long after high school, he had worked for years before deciding to embark on the academic path.
That's not the case. Anyone can go to college as long as they meet the official requirements. You can still obtain those when you are 30 or 50 and decide you want to attend university after all.
Former chancellor Schröder for instance got his college admission qualification long after high school, he had worked for years before deciding to embark on the academic path.
Yes I know. Every German says, "That is not the case." I think that is part of your Abitur.
It is indeed the case. Were it not the case, then almost everyone would go.
Come on Neuling. You can fool some of these leftist clowns here. But don't ever try it with me.
Basically, what you are proposing is already taken care of PRIOR to college in terms of the coursework, grades and testing.
If you went to a crap college then that's what your prior effort merited. It's not like you put up a 1450 SAT and got randomly shoved off to study marketing at some crappy southern football school with the athletes and cheerleaders.
The problem there is that education NEEDS to be different because you don't have a universal population of entrants. There is a reason you need to be in the top 1/2% to get into MIT's engineering school and so forth and the education people like that need is going to be a completely different animal than someone getting a softer degree from one of the state schools populated by the 40-50th percentile.
I find it ok to use marks and test scores as an admission requirement. It's the same at any university around the world I guess. Universities only offer so many slots per years...
But for that to be fair, high schools should be very similar in terms of the quality of education they provide. A super GPA from a crappy high school won't help much I suppose
Because having a workforce more educated raises the standard of living for everyone.
Just about anything that is given away free makes it worthless.
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This might motivate people to study hard...
