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Old 11-10-2011, 05:00 PM
 
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Race. President Johnson(Democrat) backed the civil rights movement and then Nixon(republican) used the southern strategy to tell the southern white men we are for you and all your racist beliefs. Its clear as a bell. strom thermund the ultimate racist hypocrite is the best example. Just follow his bio and see it all layed out. It was racial hatred of blacks that caused it and its that same group that is the so called tea party now.
As a southerner, I would say this is about right. Civil rights and affirmative action. Conservative democrats did not like the stand of mainline democrats on these two issues, so they switched Republican.

 
Old 11-10-2011, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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I was talking to a neighbor of mine (an older guy) who grew up in the South and he told me that his father and grandfather "would never have voted Republican if their lives depended on it." He said during his time, people in the South hated Republicans and almost all of them were Democrats.

I took a politics course in college and discovered that this was absolutely true. The Democratic Party controlled southern politics for more than a 100 years. Democrats' control of the region was referred to as the "Solid South" and they controlled the governments in those states at every level (i.e. state and local).

When you look at the voting patterns of the South now, the region votes heavily Republican. In fact, most (if not all) southern states are hard-red Republican states. What exactly caused this political change? How can a region support a party for over 100 years and just completely leave that party in such a short period of time?
Two things happened that reversed the polarity of the two main political parties. The Lily-White Movement & the Southern Strategy. Once you read up on the history of the new Republican Party you’ll understand why most racists are republican hell bent on stopping any type of progression.

Lily-White Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 11-10-2011, 05:10 PM
 
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For the life of me, I don't know why the South would vote for the anti-government, anti-diversity, anti-civility party. Why would ol' Hank become Republican # 1? Could it have something to do with racism? Nah -- best not to call a *spade* a *spade* because then someone will accuse me of playing the race card.

 
Old 11-10-2011, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I was talking to a neighbor of mine (an older guy) who grew up in the South and he told me that his father and grandfather "would never have voted Republican if their lives depended on it." He said during his time, people in the South hated Republicans and almost all of them were Democrats.

I took a politics course in college and discovered that this was absolutely true. The Democratic Party controlled southern politics for more than a 100 years. Democrats' control of the region was referred to as the "Solid South" and they controlled the governments in those states at every level (i.e. state and local).

When you look at the voting patterns of the South now, the region votes heavily Republican. In fact, most (if not all) southern states are hard-red Republican states. What exactly caused this political change? How can a region support a party for over 100 years and just completely leave that party in such a short period of time?
Civil Rights legislation in 1964 was pushed through by the Democrats. The racist element of the Democratic party migrated to the republican side. Strom Thurmond was one of the notables.

The movement laid the groundwork for Nixon's Southern Strategy. Harry Dent taught Lee Atwater who taught Karl Rove how to play the race card in an election. In 2008, McCain was shot out of the saddle in South carlina by the whisper campaign from the Bush camp claiming that McCain had a black child.
 
Old 11-10-2011, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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It has to do with the democrat party being taken over by the northeast and west coast liberals. Their ideas of how to run the country do not mix well with southerners who value self sufficiency. Was FDR a Republican? No, so why the argument that dems were repubs until the civil rights movement? The argument of southern strategy does have some truth, no question, but it is far more than that.
 
Old 11-10-2011, 06:05 PM
 
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Everyone knows that race has long played a decisive role in Southern electoral politics. From the end of Reconstruction until the beginning of the civil rights era, the story goes, the national Democratic Party made room for segregationist members — and as a result dominated the South. But in the 50s and 60s, Democrats embraced the civil rights movement, costing them the white Southern vote. Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a “Southern strategy” that championed “states’ rights.”
It’s an easy story to believe, but this year two political scientists called it into question. In their book “The End of Southern Exceptionalism,” Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth.
The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’ - New York Times

Bustin' narratives, 'sploding heads.
 
Old 11-10-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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It has to do with the democrat party being taken over by the northeast and west coast liberals. Their ideas of how to run the country do not mix well with southerners who value self sufficiency. Was FDR a Republican? No, so why the argument that dems were repubs until the civil rights movement? The argument of southern strategy does have some truth, no question, but it is far more than that.
I have lived in South Carolina for 52 out of my nearly 60 years. My grandmother was quite active in politics, and believe me, 1964 was the turning point.

That was the year that a local BBQ merchant named Maurice Bessinger hung a sign in his dining room in Columbia that said "The federal government say we have to serve ******s, but every dime we get from them is donated to the "Ku Klux Klan". You could barely get in the door after that. His greatest hero was Lester Maddox and the Pickrick Drum Stick.
 
Old 11-10-2011, 06:14 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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It has to do with the democrat party being taken over by the northeast and west coast liberals. Their ideas of how to run the country do not mix well with southerners who value self sufficiency. Was FDR a Republican? No, so why the argument that dems were repubs until the civil rights movement? The argument of southern strategy does have some truth, no question, but it is far more than that.
Actually, I always thought old south southerners liked being "self sufficient" so they could enslave, lynch, and oppress blacks without being called out on it. Those things didn't have quite the same appeal in New England, you know. Now they like being self sufficient for other reasons...at least, I'd like to think so.
 
Old 11-10-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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I have lived in South Carolina for 52 out of my nearly 60 years. My grandmother was quite active in politics, and believe me, 1964 was the turning point.
Anyone who has a basic understanding of recent American history has got to see that 1964 was a turning point, whether you're from the north or the south.
 
Old 11-10-2011, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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Actually, I always thought old south southerners liked being "self sufficient" so they could enslave, lynch, and oppress blacks without being called out on it. Those things didn't have quite the same appeal in New England, you know. Now they like being self sufficient for other reasons...at least, I'd like to think so.
Actually, you just wanted to make an inane statement about southern racism that had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. I would appreciate you not using my posts to project hatred. You are welcome to discuss what I posted rationally. We are all Americans no matter who we vote for, not enemies.
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