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Old 01-11-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So you're saying the slippery slope is that this law will encourage other states to do the same, if it is upheld?
No. Several other states have already enacted similar laws. This is the first time, though, that I've heard of one that goes this far being allowed to be enforced. This isn't an issue I've paid a lot of attention to though, so I can't be certain.

I am against this law, but I think the slippery slope argument doesn't hold a lot of water. Other posters have argued that the law leads us down a slippery slope because a state could require another medical procedure before any other medical procedure.

I've pointed out that courts have recognized a state's "interest" in "protecting potential life" as long as it does not cause an "undue burden" on a woman seeking an abortion and have upheld 24-hour waiting periods and the like using this logic. My argument is that, while I don't approve of a state using a sonogram requirement to "protect potential life," I don't think you can directly compare it to other medical procedures because there's no other medical procedure where "potential life" would come into play at all.

The district judge in this case ruled that the law could not be enforced on First Amendment/freedom of speech grounds, rather than anything having to do with abortion or medical procedures directly, which is very interesting to me.
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Old 01-11-2012, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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How in God's name can a coat hanger cause an abortion? How does it get through the cervix and mucus plug??
Ummm.....naive much?

I rest my case.
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Old 01-11-2012, 01:52 PM
 
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It is so the woman has a full and conscious idea of what it is all about before she does it and that is not all bad.
There are many women years ago that had one done had not idea of what it entailed nor did they get counseling before hand and suffered from nightmares from it.
Prove it!


Prove that women don't know what being pregnant means.

Give stats and facts on how many women had nightmares.

Prove they had nightmares because they had an abortion.


Where's your proof???
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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OMG You are so good at doing research, why don't you find out how it is ILLEGAL to fire someone due to pregnancy status. If you have to take time off, you need to arrange it with your employer, not just not show up. THAT is what might get you fired, not b/c you are pregnant.

I WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN PREGNANT IF I DID NOT HAVE A HUSBAND! I also do not have my parents and friends to take care of me as we relocated cross-country right before I got pregnant. It can be done.

I do not live in Andrealand or fantasyland or whatever other rude comment you want to make. I live on planet Earth, where people are supposed to take responsibility for their actions.
"" live on planet Earth, where people are supposed to take responsibility for their actions"""


And many women do....they find they have an unwanted pregnancy and have an abortion rather than bring an unwanted child into this world....that's VERY responsible....and some women are responsible and don't NEED a husband to hold them up....
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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Prove it!


Prove that women don't know what being pregnant means.

Give stats and facts on how many women had nightmares.

Prove they had nightmares because they had an abortion.


Where's your proof???
Your post has me wondering why there couldn't be a sheet that a woman could check-off and sign, stating that she doesn't need the pre-abortion education because she already understands the procedure.
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:33 PM
 
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Evidence, please.
That was my thoughts exactly, what evidence does Obama have that doctors/surgeons are motivated to make a buck off patients. Okay $40,000-$50, 000

BTW, he said these things multiple times, while pushing for ObamaCare. Inserting distrust for doctors with the public.


Obama Doctors Taking Tonsils Out For Money Instead Of Diagnosing It As Allergies - YouTube

Obama says surgeons make $40,000 to amputate a limb - YouTube
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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you could apply that same thought to a belief in god. do you insist on a visual about faith? women do KNOW what it is to be pregnant, we do not need visual aids.
The only argument I have seen against it that is a reasonable argument is the cost. I have failed to find the wording of the law to see how that is handled.
doctors show patients ex rays of health matters all the time, they show sonograms and MRI . It does not make abortion illegal it does not deny choice it does not tell a woman what she can do with her body.
It allows her a moment to think one more time about what she is doing.
You mean to say a woman does not have the right to change her mind?
If she goes through with it it could help woman not regret their decision or second guess. And their is a chance someone might change their mind and use their choice not to have an abortion and that is what this is about. The pro abortionist are so scared one person might decide not to have an abortion they do not want to let woman have one last chance to decide
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:04 PM
 
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The only argument I have seen against it that is a reasonable argument is the cost. I have failed to find the wording of the law to see how that is handled. the added cost is not necessary.
doctors show patients ex rays of health matters all the time, they show sonograms and MRI . a patient isn't required by law to look at any other x-ray why should they be required to see this and not all others? It does not make abortion illegal it does not deny choice it does not tell a woman what she can do with her body. no it doesn't deny them, just impedes them a bit.
It allows her a moment to think one more time about what she is doing.
You mean to say a woman does not have the right to change her mind? what is it that you don't understand a woman has already thought about it, before she made the decision. many women change their mind at the last moment without having to see any sonogram. just as there are woman who seeing a sonogram would not change their minds at all.
If she goes through with it it could help woman not regret their decision or second guess. this is bs, more like hoping the woman will feel guilty about their choice. And their is a chance someone might change their mind and use their choice not to have an abortion and that is what this is about. The pro abortionist are so scared one person might decide not to have an abortion they do not want to let woman have one last chance to decide
this last sentence is the most inaccurate and ridiculous statement. pro choice is about CHOICE. we want women to choose for their life. birth, adoption or abortion. choice, there isn't one pro choice person that gets upset when a woman chooses birth rather then abortion. trying to vilify pro choice as pro abortion is utter crap
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:14 PM
 
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The only argument I have seen against it that is a reasonable argument is the cost. I have failed to find the wording of the law to see how that is handled.
doctors show patients ex rays of health matters all the time, they show sonograms and MRI ."""



YES , but patients are NOT FORCED to see them before the procedure.

What is so hard to understand about that?




"""It does not make abortion illegal it does not deny choice it does not tell a woman what she can do with her body.
It allows her a moment to think one more time about what she is doing."""



Who the heck is ANYONE to decide how much time a woman needs to decide something...HINT: NOT YOU or anyone else!





"""You mean to say a woman does not have the right to change her mind?"""



YOU mean women don't have the intelligence to make up their own minds.





"""If she goes through with it it could help woman not regret their decision or second guess. And their""


THERE !



""" is a chance someone might change their mind and use their choice not to have an abortion and that is what this is about. The pro abortionist are so scared one person might decide not to have an abortion they do not want to let woman have one last chance to decide
No one is PRO-abortion.

I am pro-choice and have NO interest in influencing anyone about whether or not to have an abortion ...unlike people like YOU who think you should have influence over OTHER'S decisions...people like YOU who want bigger government interference in private lives....



Now answer this if you have the courage and try not to exagerate:

How many kids have you adopted?????????

????????

How many sonograms are YOU willing to pay for?????
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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this last sentence is the most inaccurate and ridiculous statement. pro choice is about CHOICE. we want women to choose for their life. birth, adoption or abortion. choice, there isn't one pro choice person that gets upset when a woman chooses birth rather then abortion. trying to vilify pro choice as pro abortion is utter crap
If you are pro choice you are pro abortion
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