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If one is claiming that there is wide-spread voter fraud then the onus is on those claiming voter fraud to prove it. Those who have looked into this have concluded that what is at stake is restricting millions of legitimate voters in order to stop an imperceptible number of phantom voter frauds.
If one is claiming that the republicans are conspiring to restrict democrat voter turnout, the onus is on those claiming such a conspiracy to prove it.
Those who have looked into this have concluded that this notion that republicans don't want blacks to vote, want a return to Jim Crow, and masturbate to Orwell's 1984, is patently absurd.
If one is claiming that the republicans are conspiring to restrict democrat voter turnout, the onus is on those claiming such a conspiracy to prove it.
What is the premise of requiring IDs to begin with? Why would you not start with that?
Acorn employees were charged with voter registration violations. Not Voter fraud! This false pretense is the corner stone of your argument. How are you not confused when you’re using the example of Acorn to justify your voter fraud stance? I never made the allegation that voter fraud didn’t exist. I said it didn’t exist in a large enough quantity to generate a heavy handed response. Naive and deceptive are two things I’m not.
I haven’t seen any evidence that Acorn or anybody affiliated with the Democratic party was bussing any homeless person around and an attempt to have them vote multiple times.
And regarding Iraqi finger painting. To do that here is ridiculous. The US has been a voting republic for many years. Iraq just became one. Their painted fingers were a sign of defiance to show the terrorist they weren’t going to be intimidated. In America we have voter rolls and laws against intimidation.
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I'm not confusing anything.
Vote fraud is real and it happens. Do some research. Don't be naive, or worse deceptive, simply because it is the democrats that engage in it predominantly.
And even if I am confused, do you oppose the Iraqi finger-staining method? On what grounds?
To prevent convicted felons, illegal aliens, documented mentally ill, and Sean Penn from voting.
Really how hard is it to get an ID?
Outside of anger management issues, do you have proof that convicted felons, illegal aliens... have been voting? Or, are you pulling things out of your rear-end, or someone told you what it looked like after they went about the process and you never questioned them?
And why stop with voter ID... why not National ID? Never mind, I'm sure, we can come up with a definition to document the mentally ill as well...
Requiring poor people, who don't have cars, to get a voter ID at the DMV is an obstacle to voting.
Yes, yes. 50 years ago the Southern Democrats were racists. Since Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act, those former Democrats (i.e. Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Mills Godwin) switched to the Republicans.
Their main conviction was strong conservatism and felt more at home with the Republicans. But that's all a side-track.
I never made the allegation that voter fraud didn’t exist. I said it didn’t exist in a large enough quantity to generate a heavy handed response. Naive and deceptive are two things I’m not.
Cite your source that vote fraud doesn't exist "in a large enough quantity to generate a heavy handed response".
Then prove that republicans demanding voters show ID is akin to Jim Crow and 1984. Completely dismissing voter ID is a little heavy handed is it not?
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I haven’t seen any evidence that Acorn or anybody affiliated with the Democratic party was bussing any homeless person around and an attempt to have them vote multiple times.
I guess you're right. Vote fraud never happens.
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And regarding Iraqi finger painting. To do that here is ridiculous. The US has been a voting republic for many years. Iraq just became one. Their painted fingers were a sign of defiance to show the terrorist they weren’t going to be intimidated. In America we have voter rolls and laws against intimidation.
Irrelevant. Election ink keeps people from voting more than once. It is used in places that have poor documentation to prevent vote fraud. Forbidding a state from requiring ID before voting is what I'd call "poor documentation". Election ink at least solves the problem of multiple votes.
Opposing voter ID and election ink with frothy-mouthed, sputtering impotent rage because "you can't prove vote fraud so why bother with all this" is naive at best, criminal at worst.
53 posts in just over one hour since I posted the text of Holder's speech and, so far, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HAS DARED TO ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE!
Who gives a damn about the truth, right? It's much more satisfying to be mad about something about Obama and/or Eric Holder, even when it's grounded totally upon an untruth...ie: a lie.
Astonishing...really astonishing.
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