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"A woman who was 12 weeks pregnant had an appointment with the Calthorpe Clinic and explained to a doctor that she and her partner wished to terminate the pregnancy because they “don’t want a girl”. A certain Dr Raj responded, “That’s not fair. It’s like female infanticide, isn’t it?” "
Can you imagine if there were genetic testing for sexual orientation? Abortion (or the test) would be banned tomorrow.
Pro-choice doesn't necessarily mean pro-abortion.
Pro Life's responsibility seems to begin at conception, and end at birth. Now, why is that? If you are against abortion, then take care of the unwanted child.
"A woman who was 12 weeks pregnant had an appointment with the Calthorpe Clinic and explained to a doctor that she and her partner wished to terminate the pregnancy because they “don’t want a girl”. A certain Dr Raj responded, “That’s not fair. It’s like female infanticide, isn’t it?” "
Can you imagine if there were genetic testing for sexual orientation? Abortion (or the test) would be banned tomorrow.
Could you imagine if Romney were president, and instead of dumping billions into green energy like Obama, he dumped billions into finding and isolating the "gay gene". Then, as Obama mandated that either employers or insurance companies give away free birth control products and services, Romney would mandate that prenatal screenings for a gay baby and abortions of those gay babies, be given away for free, paid for by either employers or insurance companies.
Pro Life's responsibility seems to begin at conception, and end at birth. Now, why is that? If you are against abortion, then take care of the unwanted child.
That is a tired old stereotype you libs just can't live without.
In order to change the left's image as the pro-abortion, baby killers, they make up this fantasy that at least they have concern for the babies after they are born, or they tell themselves that their babies are "wanted" and therefore receive more love and affection.
the left always has to demonize everyone else, in order for their twisted ideas to make sense to themselves. Even if they favor killing any fetus, for any reason, at any point of the pregnancy, at least they are not akin to demons like everyone else.
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That is a tired old stereotype you libs just can't live without.
In order to change the left's image as the pro-abortion, baby killers, they make up this fantasy that at least they have concern for the babies after they are born, or they tell themselves that their babies are "wanted" and therefore receive more love and affection.
the left always has to demonize everyone else, in order for their twisted ideas to make sense to themselves. Even if they favor killing any fetus, for any reason, at any point of the pregnancy, at least they are not akin to demons like everyone else.
Yes, they shift the responsibility from themselves - those who create the baby in the first part, to those evil, uncaring pro-lifers who they stereotype as being against healthcare.
Pro Life's responsibility seems to begin at conception, and end at birth. Now, why is that? If you are against abortion, then take care of the unwanted child.
Pro abortion people say that all the time but it's a false argument. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. It's basically just a way of shaming people into agreeing with you.
If I want stealing to be illegal, do I have to pay thieves the money they otherwise would have stolen? No. If I say a drunk driver should have his license revoked, does that mean it's my job to provide him with alternate transportation? No.
Similarly, I don't need to provide for someone else's child just because I say she shouldn't murder it before it's born.
There are good arguments for keeping abortion legal, but yours isn't one of them.
To sum up this thread, right wing pro-lifers would require you to have a baby, but would vote against any health care assistance for you or the child after it's born.
And they would vote against any kind of food or shelter or clothing assistance from the government for that child as well.
Do I have this straight now?
Well, don't forget the part where they would try to prevent you from getting access to the contraceptive services that would enable you to avoid pregnancy.
PREEMPTIVE SANTORUM REFERENCE: In case you're wondering, Rick Santorum has been very clear that he is opposed to contraception, and he is also opposed to the Supreme Court precedent that prevents state governments from outlawing contraception, so don't even bother trying to tell us that conservatives don't want to block access to contraception.
Yes, they shift the responsibility from themselves - those who create the baby in the first part, to those evil, uncaring pro-lifers who they stereotype as being against healthcare.
Yup, those pro-lifers just want people to die:
Alan Grayson: "If you get sick in America, this is what the Republicans want you to do: If you get sick America, the Republican health care plan is this: Die quickly."
This kind of twisted and warped thinking is the only thing that allows them to believe in their own ideology. You see, their ideas and solutions may not be perfect, but at least they don't want people to DIE!!!
Abortion for sex selection is not a problem in THIS country. Maybe, just maybe, because in THIS country women are seen as, and treated as, equals.... capable of contributing just as much as males do to society.
A well-made point, to be sure. Using abortion to select the child's gender is an unethical action, but has (or should have) very little bearing on the US abortion debate. One might as well rail against organ transplants because it led to a black market in organs in less-developed nations.
Perhaps more interestingly, social mores in (for instance) China are now almost predetermined to change. With too many men and not enough women, the power dynamics in forming relationships is bound to change in the women's favor.
Well, don't forget the part where they would try to prevent you from getting access to the contraceptive services that would enable you to avoid pregnancy.
Being against the government forcing employers to give away contraception pills for free, is not preventing a woman from "getting access to the contraceptive services."
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PREEMPTIVE SANTORUM REFERENCE: In case you're wondering, Rick Santorum has been very clear that he is opposed to contraception, and he is also opposed to the Supreme Court precedent that prevents state governments from outlawing contraception, so don't even bother trying to tell us that conservatives don't want to block access to contraception.
States do have the authority under the Constitution, to ban the sale of specific drugs or medicines. This is not something Santorum made up on his own, he is just stating the facts. States can make tobacco purchases illegal, so does that drive you into hysterics "so don't even bother trying to tell us that conservatives don't want to block access to" tobacco.
A well-made point, to be sure. Using abortion to select the child's gender is an unethical action, but has (or should have) very little bearing on the US abortion debate. One might as well rail against organ transplants because it led to a black market in organs in less-developed nations.
Perhaps more interestingly, social mores in (for instance) China are now almost predetermined to change. With too many men and not enough women, the power dynamics in forming relationships is bound to change in the women's favor.
I would not put it past the looney left to quickly make a law banning abortions for women who want to abort gay babies, assuming their will ever be a way to test a fetus for that.
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