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It's real simple. Fraudulent voting is extremely rare. Voter suppression, in the form of increased ID requirements, would effect Democratic voters more so than GOP voters. This is the real reason why the laws were being sponsored by sleazy GOP operators. This is from the Judges's ruling in Wisconsin striking down their more stringent voter ID requirements.
Affidavits have been submitted by amici curiae Wisconsin Democracy Campaign and Dane County demonstrating the very real disenfranchising effects of Act 23’s photo ID requirements. They show that many constitutionally qualified electors from all walks of life will be blocked from voting at the polls by Act 23, involuntarily and occasionally through no fault of their own. Governor Walker and the GAB correctly observe that this court may not rely on this evidence in deciding plaintiffs’ purely facial challenge to Act 23’s constitutionality. Indeed, it is not necessary to consider the human cost of photo ID requirements in order to expose their constitutional deficiencies. As seen above, they are unconstitutional on their face.
Just as an example. Wisconsin may have had ZERO cases of even alleged voter fraud.... But citizens could provide real concrete examples of where eligible voters where denied the right to vote because of ID requirements. Case in point, a blind, 90 year old women is totally unaware of the new guidelines and is turned away at the polling station because she doesn't have proper ID.
"Fraudulent voting is extremely rare."
I have heard many a dem politician say, "if it saves just 1 life it is worth it", when trying to get a new piece of legislation passed.
So I say, If voter ID stops just 1 person from registering or voting fraudulently, it is worth it.
Your example doesn't hold any water with me.
Let's try this example. A new law is passed saying you cant use a cell phone while driving. You get stopped by a police officer. You tell him , "I wasn't aware of the new law.
You will be told, by the police officer AND the judge, "Ignorance of law is no excuse".
I am confident that the new voter ID law was well covered by the local newspapers, TV and radio.
If the woman you cite didn't utilize any of those media outlets, how did she know who was running and what they stood for.
Actually, if you're 50, you don't need an ID. Only if you look questionably young you need an ID to buy alcohol. Thus, senior citizens who don't have ID have no trouble buying wine. Voting, not so easy.
The fact is that ID laws for voting addresses a problem that's not a problem; there aren't any significant numbers of people trying to vote who aren't eligible. Yet, the GOP wants to stop millions of voters who have no IDs from voting to address a phantom problem.
You may NOT be aware the false registration is also considered voter fraud.
So say, someone obtains a non pictured voter card illegally and THEN goes to vote. What is going to stop them from voting?
Actually, if you're 50, you don't need an ID. Only if you look questionably young you need an ID to buy alcohol. Thus, senior citizens who don't have ID have no trouble buying wine. Voting, not so easy.
The fact is that ID laws for voting addresses a problem that's not a problem; there aren't any significant numbers of people trying to vote who aren't eligible. Yet, the GOP wants to stop millions of voters who have no IDs from voting to address a phantom problem.
Depends on the state. When I was a bartender yrs ago I kicked many a bums out simply by carding them.
In my state when you register to vote you provide a signature sample and that signature is compared to your ballot. There is no need for further identification!!!
And since when are state agencies going to visit assisted living residences, making house-calls on the frail and infirm to issue necessary identification to vote? You want to send out taxis for the handicapped to transport them to DMV to get IDs, for free? A wonderful expenditure of taxes from fiscally frugal Republicans!
How are they going to get into those assisted living facilities?
When we moved my father into one, a picture ID was required.
How are these people who can't "afford" to get a simple photo id, or supposedly are too far to get one (doesnt have to be drivers license, but a state id card would suffice) cash checks, unemployment, get lottery tickets, cough syrup, prescriptions filled, etc.??
How are these people who can't "afford" to get a simple photo id, or supposedly are too far to get one (doesnt have to be drivers license, but a state id card would suffice) cash checks, unemployment, get lottery tickets, cough syrup, prescriptions filled, etc.??
If you have been banking at the same bank for decades, the staff generally recongnizes you and does not ask for ID; who says these people are on UI?; I don't buy lottery tickets, didn't know you needed ID for them (?); cough syrup, are you kidding?; prescriptions filled? I just picked one up today; "verify your address" the clerk said to me, took my credit card. Do you use a lot of controlled substances or something?
If you have been banking at the same bank for decades, the staff generally recongnizes you and does not ask for ID; who says these people are on UI?; I don't buy lottery tickets, didn't know you needed ID for them (?); cough syrup, are you kidding?; prescriptions filled? I just picked one up today; "verify your address" the clerk said to me, took my credit card. Do you use a lot of controlled substances or something?
No, but I move every 2-3yrs (military) and EVERY state I have been in has so many places that I must show my ID card at. CVS for cough medicine, doctors office, dentist office, library to get new library card, bank when I want to deposit and cash check (even same small town- 5 employee 200 townfolks town I lived in for 6yrs!) Lets see, buying video games, lottery tickets, using credit card.. I have to pull out my ID at least once a day.
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