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Old 03-27-2012, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by mistyriverranch View Post
That is a strawman argument using your own inflammatory language. I think women should have control and choice over the contents of their uterus. If they choose abortion, that is their choice. Not yours. And it is their legal right.
Strawman? Not at all. Let's get some definitions clear.

Murder: the premeditated killing of a human being by another human being.

Abortion: the premeditated killing of a baby while it is in the womb.

A woman should have control and choice over their own bodies: language used by pro-choice people to say that they support murdering babies - without coming right out and saying that.

Do you support murdering babies? This is a simple yes or no question.

 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:06 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
I don't consider murder to fall under the umbrella of personal responsibility.
And many don't consider abortion to be murder, including the US government... so you'd be the only one breaking the law, if you attempted to intervene in what a woman does with her womb & fetus.
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:10 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Sometimes babies survive abortion.
What?? The fetus would have to be at LEAST 4-5 months developed to survive, in which case most states wouldn't even allow abortion... so that would be more of a stillbirth or "spontaneous abortion" (not by choice) situation, if it's even possible. Do you have a credible link regarding this claim?
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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And many don't consider abortion to be murder, including the US government... so you'd be the only one breaking the law, if you attempted to intervene in what a woman does with her womb & fetus.
What is abortion - if not murder?
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by mistyriverranch View Post
Even better: you don't get a choice.

Since you and your evil minions are so intent on controlling other people's bodies and passing new laws, how about passing one that requires all males who've passed puberty to have their penis glued to their leg until marriage?

The fetus has his or her own unique DNA with is neither the mother's nor the father's, so it's not the mother's body being controlled. The body which is being controlled (killed in this case) is no one's body except that of the baby.

Married women don't get abortions?
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:13 PM
 
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
Self explanatory.
I suspect you want the Federal Government to pay for this since fetuses tend not to have any money. Though I do find it funny that GOPers are ardently opposed to helping living breathing people get insurance, but wish to furnish it (for free?) to fetuses that don't have money.
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Lakeside
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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
Strawman? Not at all. Let's get some definitions clear.

Murder: the premeditated killing of a human being by another human being.

Abortion: the premeditated killing of a baby while it is in the womb.

A woman should have control and choice over their own bodies: language used by pro-choice people to say that they support murdering babies - without coming right out and saying that.

Do you support murdering babies? This is a simple yes or no question.
Okay...what you're doing is begging the question. You're assuming that abortion is murder, therefore it follows that murder is illegal thus abortion should be illegal.

Abortion is not murder. Therefore your assumption does not stand.
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Lakeside
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Originally Posted by momonkey View Post
The fetus has his or her own unique DNA with is neither the mother's nor the father's, so it's not the mother's body being controlled. The body which is being controlled (killed in this case) is no one's body except that of the baby.

Married women don't get abortions?
Then let it survive outside the woman's uterus.
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by mistyriverranch View Post
Abortion is not murder.
What is abortion then - if not murder?
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:18 PM
 
Location: NC
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What is abortion - if not murder?
Abortion is Abortion, murder has the element of "unlawful"
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