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Old 04-18-2012, 11:38 PM
 
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Ok you wanna go to the grey area let's use autism as an example. Would I abort a fetus that I knew would grow into a baby and human being with irreversible autism? I don't know. That would be a very hard decision for me. I mean what do you expect me to say? What are you trying to get at?

Let me put it in simpler terms. If medical technology allowed could tell me hey this fetus most definitely will develop into a baby with autism but your next one would not. Yes I would choose the healthy fetus over the one that would develop into an autistic child. And I'm using autism as an example because although it's pretty significant autistic children are fully functional physically and pretty highly functional mentally as well.

Is that what you're trying to get out of me?
Not all autistic people are high functioning. Many aren't.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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We can easily determne misery in many cases. We can easily determine no brain activity, pain, etc.
No brain activity equals death. Pain can be relieved. No one can determine who's life is worth living.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:39 PM
 
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If you are incapable of choosing for yourself (vegetative state or something) you can't expect other to take care of you no matter what either. That's just how it is.
I know, and that's why in this mother's situation, I can't honestly say what I would do. But I fear that if legislation passed that gave her and every other parent the right, that would open it up for people to much more overtly practice eugenics in regards to the disabled population.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:39 PM
 
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Withholding treatment and terminating treatment are two separate issues with separate rules.
No they aren't. Different terms for the same thing: PULLING THE PLUG.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:40 PM
 
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Who are you to determine who's life is a misery?

An innocent person is one who has not harmed another person, although I believe capital punishment is wrong, I understand the rational for killing murderers.

Oh really? And how do you know "murdering" isn't going to be proven to be a "genetic" disorder in the next 100 years? Wouldn't that be "killing" an "innocent" person? Where do we draw the line in killing children? The only thing you're doing is putting your own view of morality all over everything.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:41 PM
 
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No brain activity equals death. Pain can be relieved. No one can determine who's life is worth living.
Pain can't always be relieved but that's another issue entirely. Some people choose to live in spite of pain.

With that said, my fingers are sore from all this rapid reading, lol. So I'll have to continue tomorrow!
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:41 PM
 
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No they aren't. Different terms for the same thing: PULLING THE PLUG.
Of course they are different. Once begun, certain procedures require a court order to discontinue absent a healthcare proxy or advanced directive.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Pain can't always be relieved but that's another issue entirely. Some people choose to live in spite of pain.

With that said, my fingers are sore from all this rapid reading, lol. So I'll have to continue tomorrow!
Good night.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:43 PM
 
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No brain activity equals death. Pain can be relieved. No one can determine who's life is worth living.
You'd be surprised how many family members, when told their loved one is clinically brain dead, refuse to stop ventilation and tube feeding. For far too many people, a heartbeat is all they factor in for 'quality of life'.

We have a serious problem confronting mortality, in this country especially.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:43 PM
 
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Not all autistic people are high functioning. Many aren't.
I know I was making a point.
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