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Old 04-20-2012, 10:30 PM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by jayjay1 View Post
This is so strange. The moment the photo was shown with the bloody head and the bail was set......must have not sat well with people thinking TM was not the aggressor.
How exactly does that prove who the aggressor was?One had a little blood and the other dead.

 
Old 04-20-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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BERNARDO DE LA RIONDA, ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: "Our contention is, Your Honor, that this is a serious crime and that he should be held under no bond or, if the court were to set a bond, it would be $1 million. I thank you for the court's indulgence".

JUDGE LESTER: "Thank you very much.
The good thing about practicing law in Florida as a judge, as a prosecutor, and as a defense attorney is that we have lots of experience. I don't think there are too many jurisdictions in the country that get the wealth of cases, the amount of cases like this, not this particular one, but just cases in general in the criminal justice system, so we're all very experienced with this.

This is a very common type hearing and we're all familiar with this topic. It's a regular hearing but for the media involved in the particular case and circumstances associated with Mr. Zimmerman's record are something that the court and anybody who practices in the Central Florida area is familiar with the situations that go on at those establishments on the UCF corridor is the way I'll describe it. I think that's the best way.

And so we're familiar with those particular situations. I won't say it's standard, but it's a run-of-the-mill type run-in with the alcohol and beverage agents at the library, I believe it was. They're fairly common, so I'm familiar with those, even though it's in another jurisdiction.

The injunction was somewhat mild compared to the injunctions that I'm familiar with and so really what this revolves about is the facts of this particular situation as presented to the court.

What I'm going to do is I'm going to find that the motion is well taken. I'm going to grant the motion, set bond in the amount of $150,000 with the following conditions, electronic monitoring, GPS. I'll require the state and the defense to meet with the sheriff's department to accomplish that".

JMO: If there was evidence that GZ was the aggressor, bond would have been denied or set at one million as the prosecution requested. State admitted they cannot prove that GZ was the aggressor, end of story, state loses.

I like this judge.

Prosecutions case is based solely on speculation and obligatory/compulsory statements. TBC...

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Old 04-20-2012, 10:36 PM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
It's obvious some people in here have racial bias. This is exactly why this country continues to have so many racial issues. If the races were reversed, I have little doubt that the incident wouldn't have made front page news, been brought up as a racially motiviated issue or even discussed on C-D.


There is NO evidence that points to George attacking Martin yet some people seem to be willing to believe that George attacked Martin, in spite of his injuries and evidence to the contrary. Despite the fact that Martin has a history of problems with authority, has been caught in possession of stolen property, despite the fact that Martin obviously left his home to confront George. In spite of the fact that he had already notified the the 911 dispatcher that he was waiting for the police, and finally gave up and was walking back to his car. Everything points to Martin making several mistakes in his judgement, yet some people here continue to want to point the finger at George.


I would say it's mind boggling that so many people come down on someone for resisting a violent attach, but it's really not. Racism is still alive and well.

{presses button} that was easy
There is no evidence that Martin was the one that did the attack unless it came from Zimmerman. "John" didn't see the beginning so as it still stands we don't know. Lets not forget who has the history of violence and it isn't the dead kid. BTW the dead kid had serious injuries or else he would be here.
 
Old 04-20-2012, 10:39 PM
 
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How about corroborating eye witness testimony and evidence?
One that we know of and "John" didn't see the start of it.
 
Old 04-20-2012, 10:56 PM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by chicagonut View Post
His father was Jewish and his mother Peruvian. That makes him a Hispanic-Jew. What religion he was raised in doesn't change that.

What it has to do with it is that the black community is trying to make this a white on black crime when it simply wasn't. Zimmerman was a minority just like Martin was.
Link?
 
Old 04-20-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Keystone State
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Originally Posted by Donna-501 View Post
One that we know of and "John" didn't see the start of it.
Whoever started the fight may have little bearing on the case....

The 2011 Florida Statutes
Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

This is what will happen if the prosecution doesn't have sufficient evidence at the Stand Your Ground Hearing...

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force
 
Old 04-20-2012, 11:04 PM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by jazzarama View Post
Is there a rule that when someone mentions tm's suspensions, they must also mention gz's arrests.

His father wasn't a judge.
George Zimmerman

Page 2 Zimmerman says that his father was a retired magistrate judge. Was he telling the truth?
 
Old 04-20-2012, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Link?
Huh? Link for what? To tell you that Zimmerman is hispanic?
 
Old 04-20-2012, 11:07 PM
 
Location: FL
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Photos are on the web, blood oozing out.
Did the police take the photos???
 
Old 04-20-2012, 11:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Donna-501 View Post
One that we know of and "John" didn't see the start of it.
LISTEN, It's pretty simple if one is objective and open-minded.

This guy Zimmerman appears 99% GUILTY as hell. He was told to stop Stalking Martin. He ignored that command. Obviously from witnesses and cell phone tape...Zimmerman instigated the trouble and subsequently , the kid is dead because of a person who was NOT authorized to impose himself....as only a Badge wearing officer of the Law is duly authorized TO DO.

I watched that sneaky guy in court yesterday. He strikes me as a Lying, cunning Con man, who wanted to be a 'power figure.'

That's my honest opinion, and I am confident of it.
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