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I'm 19, and a gay guy. I have been out since I was 16. I used to be fully on the LGBT rights side...
...until last night, when I found myself smiling at the news that North Carolina voted to ban gay marriage in their Constitution.
Why, you may ask?
Well, I also happen to be a black gay guy. And over the couple years I've been hanging around LGBT circles, I've noticed an astounding amount of racism among them. Yes, I know, racism is everywhere... but I've noticed that most of the racism I've been on the receiving end of has been from gay people.
How can I tell that the racism is from gay people? Well, I'd figure two guys holding hands is a pretty good sign, and seeing that in Dallas/Fort Worth here is common as pigeons nowadays. Plus, there's looking at Facebook profiles, clothing, bumper stickers, et cetera. I'd say 75% of racist crap hurled at me comes from them.
Upper-middle-class white guys--many of them gay--are busy gentrifying the inner cities of Dallas and Fort Worth... but are also busy looking down their noses at African-Americans who have been here most or all of our lives, years and decades before they even hatched the idea to move here from the suburbs. I get death glares from them when I ride my bike through what they consider "their" districts (Oak Lawn in Dallas is a perfect example) as if they're afraid I'll steal their hideous little pink mopeds or something.
I've also noticed how the majority of white gay guys (at least in my city) won't even befriend a black guy, as if we're a different species or something. Many of them are what I call "romantic racists", who shut out blacks (and sometimes even Asians too) from their romantic lives, under the guise of "just their preference", as if that's a valid excuse to be a racist. (For the record, I "prefer" catfish over fried chicken, but that don't mean I never eat chicken! In fact, I love both!)
Then, on the flip side, are the racist black gay guys. Not just the ones who won't date whites, but the ones who look down on other black guys who they don't think act "black enough". If I had an actual Oreo cookie for every time I've been called an Oreo, I'd be able to send them cookies to a third-world country and not only solve the hunger problem, but probably cause an explosion in the diabetes rate, too!
And no, I still don't know what "black enough" is. Perhaps if I drove a clown car that looks like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and a Terminator made love and had a hideous kid? No Earthly idea.
I've even been on the receiving end of physical attack where racial slurs were being yelled... and then later found out 3 of the 4 perpetrators were gay. The irony is disgusting.
My overall point is, the LGBT "community" needs to get its own house in order when it comes to discrimination before they start complaining about discrimination against them. A white gay guy that whines about not having equal rights and being discriminated against, then tells a black guy "no" because they're black, ain't nothing but a hypocrite.
I have stopped standing for gay rights, and don't plan to restart any time soon.
Since I am sure you are alone as one of the black gays, which there must be many of , on this thread I wonder if you aren't getting some of what you talk about pitched right back at you. I have always wondered why I never see any blacks in the groups of LGBT celebrators and maybe you are telling why you wouldn't be in the group.
I will accept the fact that you are gay because you just are that way and really feel sorry for you being both gay and black since I really believe that the white gays don't really want you around. Why in hell can't those people accept all like them without letting race into the equation? I guess they think they make up a bigger sector of this nation's population than blacks. I hope that Obama learns that that kind of reasoning is wrong this fall. Can he be elected with the loss of the number of blacks he drove away with today's words? I hope that blacks of both sexual persuasions see what he has done and let him know about it at the polls.
I've finally found someone that feels the same way I do.
I feel its kind of appauling that gays want the same rights as straights and run around gay pride celebrations with a thongs on trying to claim their civil rights. When women want to protest and have their celebrations they dont act like that. Blacks and Latinos don't do that either. Why do Gays?
The racism is dispecatable. I have a harder time relating to White Gay men than I do Straight White men. The first time I was called the n word to my face was in Boystown. Too many times going to the White Gay clubs I feel a negative energy towards me. I can't figure out why except racism.
Since coming to Chicago, I've wondered why so many Black Gay men don't want to associate with Gay White men and now I see why. Then we have the question why do Black Gays have their own pride celebration. Its because of the racism from the Gay White community. Some will even say that they cant be racist because they are gay. (thanks to the idea that gay is the new black).
As far as people having preferences I don't have a problem with that. I prefer Black men. I don't believe in mistreating someone because of their skin color or they may be different demographic than who I am attracted to sexually. I've heard many Elderly White Gay men, Lesbians and Hispanics write and speak on the same issues that divides the Gay community.
Gay community has to accept others before others accept them. The gay community has to clean themselves up from sexual promiscuity, drug abuse and racism before they can ask for others to accept.
Since I am sure you are alone as one of the black gays, which there must be many of , on this thread I wonder if you aren't getting some of what you talk about pitched right back at you.
Precisely. One thing I've said for a long time is that people don't like uncomfortable truths, liberal and conservative. That's why I've found myself sliding slightly to the right politically (though still left-leaning), because the sheer hypocrisy of so many "progressives" is disgusting. I've received more racist horse manure from the left than the right! A friendly message to progressives, especially the gay ones: Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, y'all!
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy
I have always wondered why I never see any blacks in the groups of LGBT celebrators and maybe you are telling why you wouldn't be in the group.
Ding ding. I have talked to many of my fellow blacks about gay rights, and many have said they'd be more keen on the idea of gay rights, but only after they fix the racism towards us, and stop thinking we're "below" them.
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy
I will accept the fact that you are gay because you just are that way and really feel sorry for you being both gay and black since I really believe that the white gays don't really want you around. Why in hell can't those people accept all like them without letting race into the equation? I guess they think they make up a bigger sector of this nation's population than blacks.
I've been trying to figure that out since 2007, and still don't know.
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy
I hope that Obama learns that that kind of reasoning is wrong this fall. Can he be elected with the loss of the number of blacks he drove away with today's words? I hope that blacks of both sexual persuasions see what he has done and let him know about it at the polls.
Oh, believe me, I plan to write someone in this November. Perhaps I'll write in Wile E. Coyote. I sure as salt would have more faith in him than Obama, by this point.
You and I don't normally agree, but you hit the center of the bullseye with this entire post. Never thought I'd say this, but I repped you.
I'm 19, and a gay guy. I have been out since I was 16. I used to be fully on the LGBT rights side...
...until last night, when I found myself smiling at the news that North Carolina voted to ban gay marriage in their Constitution.
Why, you may ask?
Well, I also happen to be a black gay guy. And over the couple years I've been hanging around LGBT circles, I've noticed an astounding amount of racism among them. Yes, I know, racism is everywhere... but I've noticed that most of the racism I've been on the receiving end of has been from gay people.
How can I tell that the racism is from gay people? Well, I'd figure two guys holding hands is a pretty good sign, and seeing that in Dallas/Fort Worth here is common as pigeons nowadays. Plus, there's looking at Facebook profiles, clothing, bumper stickers, et cetera. I'd say 75% of racist crap hurled at me comes from them.
Upper-middle-class white guys--many of them gay--are busy gentrifying the inner cities of Dallas and Fort Worth... but are also busy looking down their noses at African-Americans who have been here most or all of our lives, years and decades before they even hatched the idea to move here from the suburbs. I get death glares from them when I ride my bike through what they consider "their" districts (Oak Lawn in Dallas is a perfect example) as if they're afraid I'll steal their hideous little pink mopeds or something.
I've also noticed how the majority of white gay guys (at least in my city) won't even befriend a black guy, as if we're a different species or something. Many of them are what I call "romantic racists", who shut out blacks (and sometimes even Asians too) from their romantic lives, under the guise of "just their preference", as if that's a valid excuse to be a racist. (For the record, I "prefer" catfish over fried chicken, but that don't mean I never eat chicken! In fact, I love both!)
Then, on the flip side, are the racist black gay guys. Not just the ones who won't date whites, but the ones who look down on other black guys who they don't think act "black enough". If I had an actual Oreo cookie for every time I've been called an Oreo, I'd be able to send them cookies to a third-world country and not only solve the hunger problem, but probably cause an explosion in the diabetes rate, too!
And no, I still don't know what "black enough" is. Perhaps if I drove a clown car that looks like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and a Terminator made love and had a hideous kid? No Earthly idea.
I've even been on the receiving end of physical attack where racial slurs were being yelled... and then later found out 3 of the 4 perpetrators were gay. The irony is disgusting.
My overall point is, the LGBT "community" needs to get its own house in order when it comes to discrimination before they start complaining about discrimination against them. A white gay guy that whines about not having equal rights and being discriminated against, then tells a black guy "no" because they're black, ain't nothing but a hypocrite.
I have stopped standing for gay rights, and don't plan to restart any time soon.
So there are racist gays and you want to punish all of them?
You have a great point that there are many gays fighting for equal rights who themselves hold prejudices but you have an unfair reasoning here.
You're 19? I will smile when you flunk out of calculous at school, because it doesn't seem you have a good grasp of logical thinking.
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A friendly message to progressives, especially the gay ones: Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, y'all! 
