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Old 06-12-2012, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Actually, J.F. Kennedy's BELIEFS regarding the spread of Communism abroad HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PART in US involvement in Vietnam! Now that I've got your attention, here is how it happened. I may not have it all precise, but basically, it's correct. Basically, Kennedy was obligated to assist the non-Communist people and government of South Vietnam when they requested assistance from all the members of SEATO. Here is the background as best I can recall.
The Communists, decades before, had determined that they could spread Communism to finally achieve world-wide dominance by slowly, one-by-one beginning to overtake countries directly adjacent to those who were already Communist controlled. Someone eventually applied a nickname to this operation, calling it the "Dominoe Theory." The idea being, like the novelty game of standing dominoes vertically near each other in lines, and then knocking over one which would knock down the next, in a continuing chain of events which would eventually result in ALL the dominoes being down.
During President Dwight D. Eisenhower's term of office, the leaders of the free world decided to do something to discourage, and/or prevent the Communists from using this technique.
The resultant plan was to set up multinational treaties in various parts of the world, which were thought to be targets of the Communist plans. The parties to the treaties agreed to collectively assist in the defense of any member nation, under assualt by Communism, IF THAT NATION REQUESTED assistance under the treaty. In addition to the local countries in a given area, the nations of major power also participated as members.
One high priority target area was the war cripled but still free nations of Europe. The resulting treaty to protect this area was called the North Atlantic Treaty Organization [what is commonly refered to as NATO].
In the southwestern Pacific, another such treaty was enacted. This area is commonly refered to as southeast Asia. The treaty organization for this area was called the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization [what we commonly refer to as SEATO].


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Old 06-12-2012, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Obama is not an old school socialist, he's a modern day socialist. He is like the French socialists and the German social democrats.

Russia imploded and now Europe, next the United States with socialist spending.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:21 PM
 
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Obama is not an old school socialist, he's a modern day socialist. He is like the French socialists and the German social democrats.
The father of Communism was German, and many of the original socialists were French.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:32 PM
 
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The father of Communism was German, and many of the original socialists were French.
There were quite a few socialists in American history, though. For example, Helen Keller and Mother Jones.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:33 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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The father of Communism was German, and many of the original socialists were French.
That was then. This is now. I think elan is talking about 21st Century social democracy.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:33 PM
 
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There were quite a few socialists in American history, though. For example, Helen Keller and Mother Jones.
When I think of old school Socialists, I'm thinking of 19th century European Socialists.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:59 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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How many denier thread do we need?
It's called an "education." It can teach you what Marxism and communism actually means, what it encompasses, what it doesn't, etc.

Obama may be many things undesirable, but it's obvious to any educated person that he is not a Marxist.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Social Justice has roots in Liberation Theology which Obama has adopted as his belief system. Obama's spread the wealth around is Marxist.
Obama merely supports the same spreading the wealth around government programs that Bush and the Republicans didn't try to abolish while they ruled. ObamaCare is quite similar to what Republicans supported as an alternative to HillaryCare and later adopted by Romney for his state.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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One of the tenants of socialism is social justice and redistribution of wealth.

Both of which the well-spoken and clean idiot squatting in the White House espouses.

Makes him a socialist.
But redistribution of wealth has always been a feature of human civilization, because not everyone produces equally, such as the disabled. The only question and debate about it comes down to how are you going to go about redistributing wealth. So do you let the government do it by taxing most everyone, or do you let private charities do it, which are voluntarily given to?
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Amazing how the American people were duped and still are enamored with a communist as long as he calls himself a democrat all is well with his supporters. The joke is on them . How blind they are not to see.
Then what was Bush? Was he also a socialist for not wanting to abolish Medicare and instead, added on to it?
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