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Then you haven't been listening. Several plan were discussed, the primary one being allowing insurance companies to cross state lines, and offer insurance in multiple states, Increased competition, drives down prices.
Personally, I think the fed govt should stay the hell out of PRIVATE health care. Period!
With a Govt. funded health system (UHC) the Govt. DOES stay out of private health care.
A Govt. funded health system is EXACTLY that............. Govt. funded NOT Govt. run.
The Health professionals control your health needs and not DEO's who put your Wallet before your health needs.
With a Govt. funded health care system you remove the work place from your health care needs and they become two entirely separate entities meaning that your employer needs only to worry about your salary and NOT giving you a health plan....... this works and works extremely well to the advantage of employers and employees.
We hear some on here whinging about having to pay for other peoples health care....... NEWSFLASH........ WE now pay for other peoples health care and in fact we now pay far more for the heath care of illegals under the present system than for American citizens and we ever would pay with a UHC...... we would be paying for the health care of ALL American Citizens and ALL of our loved ones with a small health tax.
We now pay SS payments AND Medicare payments from our pay check AND expensive short term health Insurance already with a extremely limited and costly Insurance Premiums........... That is NOT good for America but extremely lucrative for Insurance companies, Doctors, Pharmaceutical companies and owners of medical testing companies........... we are being ripped off everyday by the medical profession and we are expected to say thank you. I have used both systems.......... Govt. funded and Insurance based .... the Govt. funded system wins hands down by a mile. I recently found how much of a rip off the current health system in the USA is when my wife went to our Doctor and was told she might have Pneumonia or even meningitis and that we should go immediately to the ER..... that diagnosis alone cost us $200.
We then went to the ER.... waited over 5 hours in the waiting room and then we were seen by a Doctor who gave her a blood test, scan and test for pneumonia ( a swab of her nose). We were in the cubicle for 4 hours and when we were told the price, it was $6,500 but if we paid immediately then 75% of the bill would be taken away. WHAT A RIP OFF........ if we can pay around $1600 by paying NOW why wasn't we charged $1600 anyway??????????????????????. Doctors also repeat tests so they can charge over and over for the same tests...... WHAT A RIP OFF. This MUST change not maybe but DEFINITELY!
A Govt. funded health system is free at point of use for everyone. Is cheaper than the Insurance premiums. NO copays etc. Gives far more access and choice to see Doctors everywhere in the USA for everyone no matter where you move to or are staying. Does NOT distinguish between people with money or no money, people who have pre conditions or no pre conditions, covers EVERYONE from before birth to the day they die. Does NOT allow men in suits to decide our health needs. lowers the prices of medicines AND because of the competition between a Govt. health system and the private health companies.... drastically LOWERS the premiums and improves the service by Private Insurance health schemes. There are NO poor Doctors in a Govt. funded health system. Another big benefit today of creating a UHC is the MASSIVE employment that it will need to run and create the new system and the new industries that would be created in the USA to equip the UHC would make America, once again, a world leader in innovation and we could sell to the rest of the World. We would need every type of worker from medical staff to architects to cleaners to builders to administration staff to security officers to cooks to lab technicians to maintenance staff to drivers etc etc etc etc etc..... you name it we will need those employees all over America. When the UK created the NHS, the UK had to ask for workers to move to the UK from the Caribbean etc. to work in the Govt. funded health system as so much employment was created and needed. NOT ONE person is made bankrupt by a Govt. funded health system or has to decide between food and health care for their loved ones and NO ONE has a problem paying for health care or says they cannot afford the tax for health care....... it DOESN'T HAPPEN...... NO MORE waiting to see if your loved one gets worse before deciding to go see a Doctor.... access is easy and NOT prohibitive as it is here now.
No longer would we need Medicare/aid or a VA system........ everyone gets great health care.
So to sum up............ we NEED a Govt. funded health system here NOW.
The affordable health care plan is a start but has been created with plenty of "pork" to feather the nests of too many "interested parties" and big corporations......... that is awful. Our health and our loved ones health is our most important priority and should NOT be treated like a commodity or a luxury item.
America needs to come into the 21st century with health care and not fall behind Countries like Cuba, Taiwan etc as it has now.
[quote=whatyousay;24859706]Not saying I disagree with you, but if you're pushing for single payer, should your health be dependent on the government?[/quote
Our Senior citzens, Military etc depend on the Govt and if it's good enough for them it shoud be good enough for every citizen.
If you break down, your employer gets rid of you and hire someone else. The government have no such option. They're stuck with you. So they have a vested interest in keeping you healthy, working and paying taxes.
If you can't go to work, you aren't much of a tax revenue stream. If you end up on welfare, you become a liability. Thats a pretty severe one-two punch, and governments have a strong interest in keeping that from happening. Your employer have no such intrinsic motivation.
If you break down, your employer gets rid of you and hire someone else. The government have no such option. They're stuck with you. So they have a vested interest in keeping you healthy, working and paying taxes.
If you can't go to work, you aren't much of a tax revenue stream. If you end up on welfare, you become a liability. Thats a pretty severe one-two punch, and governments have a strong interest in keeping that from happening. Your employer have no such intrinsic motivation.
Absolutely............. The well being of America should come first NOT the interest of the elite or ceo's.
Federal Spending on healthcare, 2000: $467 billion
Federal Spending on healthcare, 2010: $821 billion
Change: +$354 billion
Federal Revenue, 2000: $2.56T
Federal Revenue, 2010: $2.13T
Change: -430 billion
That is a $780 billion turnaround. There is no incentive for a republican to do something about reducing health care costs, and no incentive to increase federal revenues.
Look in the dictionary under "non seqitor", and you will find this exact sequence of statements.
Quote:
In fact, higher spending costs and lower revenues, hence greater deficits, are the perfect recipes for their continued push for: Starve the beast. The more they can argue "deficits", the more incentives they have towards their political agenda.
THAT is the republican plan.
Ah, I see.
Invent a nefarious scheme that Republicans have never done or ever even implied, announce that Republicans are doing it anyway, and then bash them for it.
Basic tactic from the Democrat playbook.
When you can't find anything Republicans have done wrong, make something up!
Look in the dictionary under "non seqitor", and you will find this exact sequence of statements.
Ah, I see.
Invent a nefarious scheme that Republicans have never done or ever even implied, announce that Republicans are doing it anyway, and then bash them for it.
Basic tactic from the Democrat playbook.
When you can't find anything Republicans have done wrong, make something up!
YAWN! Same old Same old, broken rewind record. Sounding a bit too familar?
Dems favorite lines. We did not do it, they did, not our fault, their fault, who us, no them. Broken old tired worn out same old same old, line.
People,
this is not a Democrat or Republican issue!
Put your political feelings aside and realzie this is about the strength of this country!
If the USA can't take care of it's own people, we are destined to fail.
All the other countries in the world understand this. Why are the people
in this country so backwards?
If you have healthcare through your employer, you will not be effected.
So, count yourself lucky.
If you get cancer, and your employer hears that you are sick,
they will find a reason to get rid of you and you will be stuck without
any health insurance with cancer. Good luck buying a private policy then.
The real poor already have Medicaid. The real rich can afford whatever
polilcy they want.
The working middle class are totally dependent on thier employers,
and if they have an employer like my husband does, health care is not
an option.
The working people need this law to pass. It's a matter of life
and death for millions of people today.
Stop thinking partison politics and realize that people die
every day from lack of health insurance.
What should the working people do?
Die quickly.
Really?
Is that what the USA is all about?
Federal Spending on healthcare, 2000: $467 billion
Federal Spending on healthcare, 2010: $821 billion
Change: +$354 billion
Federal Revenue, 2000: $2.56T
Federal Revenue, 2010: $2.13T
Change: -430 billion
That is a $780 billion turnaround. There is no incentive for a republican to do something about reducing health care costs, and no incentive to increase federal revenues. In fact, higher spending costs and lower revenues, hence greater deficits, are the perfect recipes for their continued push for: Starve the beast. The more they can argue "deficits", the more incentives they have towards their political agenda.
THAT is the republican plan.
Have costs been reduced since 2010 when Obamacare went into effect? I think that costs have continued to rise and this law that is nothing but insurance "reform" and won't do anything about costs.
I heard a doctor from a hospital in New York City talking about this THING on the discussion that takes place daily on GBTV today and he said nothing that should make one feel that any real improvements have bee made. Of course, people like him having over two years to study that monstrosity doesn't mean they read anything you failed to read.
The man said that few small businesses will keep the plans they provide for their employees since paying the fine will be cheaper than paying for the employees to have insurance. He said that there will be three levels of insurance available. The bottom one will see about $12000 in subsidy for people who make less than $40,000 per year with much less for those who make $60,000 and no help at all for those who make over $90,000. Remember that these amounts concern all the money that is on your income tax return.
Listening to that man talk was very scary to me but not so bothersome because I am on Medicare and my wife will be in two more years. If we can afford to keep her insured that long I guess making too much money won't be so bad. It does seem to me that people are paying on pre-tax amounts which makes his promises about taxes for those under $250,000 more lies.
The sound of what he said about state exchanges was pretty exciting, also. It seems that many states will have cheaper insurance than others. That means that the people in the higher states will be paying for the others. Has any of this come up in anything you have heard about the law?
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