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Old 08-20-2012, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Remembering Randy Weaver

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Then came August 21, 1992. On that morning, six trained government marksmen wearing ski masks and camouflage and armed with automatic weapons equipped with silencers, crept up on the Weaver cabin without warning or warrant and without identifying themselves. First they shot and killed the family’s yellow Labrador, Striker, who had been barking at the intruders. When young Sammy witnessed this, he fired a .223 mini-14 in the direction from which the shots had come, then ran back toward the cabin. Agents shot Sammy in the arm, knocking him down. The youngster got back to his feet and began running again. Moments later, a second gunshot caught Sammy in the back, killing him

Within 24 hours, one Deputy U.S. Marshal was dead and some 400 federal agents were arriving at the scene, along with a helicopter, "humvees," and armored transport vehicles and personnel carriers. The Weavers’ dead dog was left in the road and repeatedly run over by government vehicles. On the afternoon of August 22, Vicki Weaver, standing at the cabin’s kitchen door and armed with nothing more lethal than baby Elisheba, was shot in the head by a government sniper. The round hit Vicki in the temple, traveled through her mouth, tongue, and jawbone, then severed her carotid artery. Kneeling on the floor and still clutching her baby, Vicki bled to death.

Nine days later, Weaver, a badly wounded Harris, and the surviving kids surrendered to federal agents. Eleven months after that, a jury in Boise, Idaho, acquitted Weaver and Harris of murder and conspiracy charges stemming from the government assault.


Last I heard, Randy Weaver resides in Arkansas.

why this is important

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Today, while the Weaver story is falling through the cracks of history, most Americans look toward the anniversary of 9/11 and demand that the government "do something, anything" to protect them from foreign terrorists — highly trained assassins wearing ski masks and camouflage and armed with automatic weapons equipped with silencers.

As for me, I will respectfully observe the 9/11 memorials. But I also intend to take a few minutes on August 21, the tenth anniversary of the Siege at Ruby Ridge, to ponder how best to tell the Bad Guys from the Good Guys during these difficult times. And to wonder how wise it is to demand that one band of murderous thugs protect us from another.
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:12 PM
 
Location: USA
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" to ponder how best to tell the Bad Guys from the Good Guys during these difficult times."
So true. I could see that happening today too. That did happen while Bush Senior was in office as further proof that niether side can be trusted with power.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What happened at Ruby Ridge was very sad and tragic. One thing I'll never understand is why some right wing Republicans blame President Clinton when he wasn't even elected yet.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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If ya want to blame anyone, blame the media and the US marshalls service.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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What happened at Ruby Ridge was very sad and tragic. One thing I'll never understand is why some right wing Republicans blame President Clinton when he wasn't even elected yet.
You are confusing Ruby Ridge with Waco.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You are confusing Ruby Ridge with Waco.
No I'm not. It's the republicans that blame President Clinton for Ruby ridge that are confused.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Pa
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You are confusing Ruby Ridge with Waco.
Waco happened under Clinton. Shortly after that Janet reno won a dubious poll.
Japanes men voted that they would rather be stranded with Reno than anyone else. LOL She made them nervous.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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What happened at Ruby Ridge was very sad and tragic. One thing I'll never understand is why some right wing Republicans blame President Clinton when he wasn't even elected yet.
Human error. Now do you understand?

This case did happen when HW Bush was in office. Remember HW Bush was not a libertarian or Tea party type. He was kind of a Rockefeller Republican, a "big government conservative." He imposed the first assault weapon ban in 1989 (done by then Drug Czar William Bennett).
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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RIP Agent Degan.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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One thing that always bugged me about Ruby Ridge was that we never found out who in the FBI authorized the unusual 'rules of engagement' that lead to the death of Vickie and Sammy Weaver. Congress tried to find out exactly who authorized the rules but were met with a 'code of silence,' and never found out. And that did happen under Clinton's watch

So federal LE can kill a couple citizens, then just clam up when Congress wants to know who, how, and why. And get away with it. That's not a law enforcement agency; that's an occupying army. Right then & there they should have disbanded the FBI, but instead they essentially held the US taxpayer accountable, forking over $3 million of taxpayer money to Weaver, and letting the FBI waltz away.
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