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Gender discrimination is not acceptable. To require men register for draft and not woman is discrimination.
Society is saying that men are stronger than woman, therefore saying woman are to delicate to be required to register.
Do you believe that's fair?
It is. But gender is not a suspect class, so laws implementing gender-based discrimination only face intermediate scrutiny. It is typically fairly easy for the government to meet the intermediate scrutiny standard. Intermediate scrutiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There was a movement to enact an Equal Rights Amendment and it gained a lot of support. But before it could be ratified, attitudes shifted and it was not ratified. You can thank Phyllis Schlafly and people like her for that.
Gender discrimination is not acceptable. To require men register for draft and not woman is discrimination.
Society is saying that men are stronger than woman, therefore saying woman are to delicate to be required to register.
Do you believe that's fair?
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It is. But gender is not a suspect class, so laws implementing gender-based discrimination only face intermediate scrutiny.
There was a movement to enact an Equal Rights Amendment and it gained a lot of support. But before it could be ratified, attitudes shifted and it was not ratified. You can thank Phyllis Schlafly and people like her for that.
Green Oinons provided your answer to the acceptability of requiring men to register but not women. Do I think its fair, no not really. I dont think society is saying women are to delicate. I dont see meeting intermediate scrutiny. There are just too many negative issues involved compared to the benefit to society for women to be drafted.
Personally, I have no problem with requiring women to register same as men, but it will be a mess dealing with pregnancies and children left behind.
I don't believe you..It amazes me how everyone can be anyone behind that keyboard.
If that's the case, than why shouldn't women have the same obligation as men to register for the draft?
You can look at my past postings many years back if you'd like, I post often about my height. I hit 6' when I was around 13, measured a tad over 6'1 just a few weeks ago. My Dad is 6'4, my brother (at 19) is 6'3, my uncle is 6'8. I come from a tall family, why would that be hard to believe?
Regardless, I agree that women should have an obligation to register for the draft, but I'd prefer the draft be eliminated altogether as I think it's antiquated.
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First off I had no idea the US still had the draft. I'm glad we abolished it years ago. Hopefully it will never come up again unless we're invaded. In the event we are I think if males are required to enlist then females should, too.
You see, that's one thing about the whole 'men had it SOOO much better in the past.' Sure, a FEW men might've started wars (heck it was usually tribes, and sometimes women were involved too), and don't forget the many female monarchs who waged wars, from Boudicca to Elizabeth, but it was mostly men who were required to DIE in battle as a result. Boudicca is an example of a female warrior (she led many females into battle too)...But getting back to it... Now who has it easier? Of course many dismiss this as whining. I agree having your limbs blown off is NOTHING compared to not being able to vote.
I'm anti-war myself and don't believe ANYBODY should be forced to serve. It's just not ethical to force someone to kill or be killed. The whole idea disgusts me, it's no surprise women aren't fighting for this 'right.' But if males are required to, I don't see why women shouldn't.
As many have pointed out, these days war involves less and less physical strength. A woman can just as easily pull a trigger, press a button or indeed, deploy missiles from a computer. So what should be stopping a mentally fit, reasonably in-shape young woman with no children from serving? Unless she's a coward it's only old school chauvinist/chivalrous ideas that a woman's life is worth more or it's not a woman's job. You see, chauvinism and chivalry are two sides of the same coin. If you're a woman who are too yellow to fight for your country then these old school gents are actually your friends. Don't you forget that. The men in this thread who say women shouldn't fight, these old school 'gentlemen', the type who would sacrifice ten men for one women. I'm sure feminists probably are secretly quite glad for them. I find the whole inequality sickening and is one reason why I was wish I was never born into this earth.
First off I had no idea the US still had the draft. I'm glad we abolished it years ago. Hopefully it will never come up again unless we're invaded. In the event we are I think if males are required to enlist then females should, too.
There is no draft per se but all men in this country have to register for selective services when they turn 18 so that they're on the list in case there ever is a draft. If they don't, they can be thrown in jail and they are barred stripped of certain rights/privileges like holding a civil service job. IN some states, men can't get a driver's license if they didn't register for selective services. So, while they're faced with this obligation, women aren't event though they're free to join the service just like men, willy nilly.
First off I had no idea the US still had the draft. I'm glad we abolished it years ago. Hopefully it will never come up again unless we're invaded. In the event we are I think if males are required to enlist then females should, too.
You see, that's one thing about the whole 'men had it SOOO much better in the past.' Sure, a FEW men might've started wars (heck it was usually tribes, and sometimes women were involved too), and don't forget the many female monarchs who waged wars, from Boudicca to Elizabeth, but it was mostly men who were required to DIE in battle as a result. Boudicca is an example of a female warrior (she led many females into battle too)...But getting back to it... Now who has it easier? Of course many dismiss this as whining. I agree having your limbs blown off is NOTHING compared to not being able to vote.
I'm anti-war myself and don't believe ANYBODY should be forced to serve. It's just not ethical to force someone to kill or be killed. The whole idea disgusts me, it's no surprise women aren't fighting for this 'right.' But if males are required to, I don't see why women shouldn't.
As many have pointed out, these days war involves less and less physical strength. A woman can just as easily pull a trigger, press a button or indeed, deploy missiles from a computer. So what should be stopping a mentally fit, reasonably in-shape young woman with no children from serving? Unless she's a coward it's only old school chauvinist/chivalrous ideas that a woman's life is worth more or it's not a woman's job. You see, chauvinism and chivalry are two sides of the same coin. If you're a woman who are too yellow to fight for your country then these old school gents are actually your friends. Don't you forget that. The men in this thread who say women shouldn't fight, these old school 'gentlemen', the type who would sacrifice ten men for one women. I'm sure feminists probably are secretly quite glad for them. I find the whole inequality sickening and is one reason why I was wish I was never born into this earth.
I agree with most of what you are saying but dont forget that although woman have not been required to register for the draft they have served their county during war time in the capacities they were allowed to and they have also suffered as casualities of war.
No one is addressing the issue of children and pregnancy. You state any able bodied women without children. So a woman registers at age 18 and if war breaks out and her number is called and she has a child is she exempt? Kind of like getting out of jury duty? What about a man who has a child?
How does the military deal with women now in regards to birth control, pregnancy, rape, etc? If women are drafted I assume they will be sent into combat as are men. Will the gov. be eqipped to deal with this issues on that level?
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I agree with most of what you are saying but dont forget that although woman have not been required to register for the draft they have served their county during war time in the capacities they were allowed to and they have also suffered as casualities of war.
No one is addressing the issue of children and pregnancy. You state any able bodied women without children. So a woman registers at age 18 and if war breaks out and her number is called and she has a child is she exempt? Kind of like getting out of jury duty? What about a man who has a child?
How does the military deal with women now in regards to birth control, pregnancy, rape, etc? If women are drafted I assume they will be sent into combat as are men. Will the gov. be eqipped to deal with this issues on that level?
Definitely. Women have made tremendous contributions to the war effort. No person or group is an island. Without women there wouldn't be men, you get the picture. Which is why you can't SOLELY blame males for starting wars or sexism for that matter (especially if it's often mothers who promote 'sexist' views) nor can you solely give credit men for their achievements, since women were involved too.
Well as you say, children have both a mother and father. In this day and age we're led to believe both are equally important (although I still think in the early years the mother is of course more vital). I know there are soldiers today with families/children, but preference should be for singles, I suppose. Maybe there could be clauses allowing mothers with young children to be exempt, if it comes to that.
Of course in the event that will all have to be worked out. I think in the future war will be less intensive on manpower (or woman power) and more technological anyway so I don't really see a situation where vast armies of tens of thousands of battalions will march into battle like the First World War. Many women will probably fight from behind control stations or something like that.
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