The Arctic's Record Breaking Ice Melt (billion, kids, bill, against)
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In 1974, we did not have supercomputers to handle the complex climate data involved, years of accrued satellite images, the plethora of instruments we now have, or deep ice core drilling that tells us exactly what the climate has been over hundreds of thousands of years and beyond.
Is it so hard for you to comprehend that we've made a few advances in research in the last 40 years?
You are so correct, with the current computers they have found the GM models are wrong......
In 1974, we did not have supercomputers to handle the complex climate data involved, years of accrued satellite images, the plethora of instruments we now have, or deep ice core drilling that tells us exactly what the climate has been over hundreds of thousands of years and beyond.
Is it so hard for you to comprehend that we've made a few advances in research in the last 40 years?
In 2012 we still don't know what the climate was over hundreds of thousands of years - it is all educated guesses based on models. Human-programmed models.
We know that glaciers covered much of North America 10,000 years ago. We know that Greenland was covered in dense forests. We know parts of the arctic were a rain forest and that the rain forests in the Amazon were once bone dry. Mexico was scorching hot - Africa hot.
Supercomputers are a great tool; programmed wrong they can just get you to the wrong answer quicker.
In 2012 we still don't know what the climate was over hundreds of thousands of years - it is all educated guesses based on models. Human-programmed models.
We know that glaciers covered much of North America 10,000 years ago. We know that Greenland was covered in dense forests. We know parts of the arctic were a rain forest and that the rain forests in the Amazon were once bone dry. Mexico was scorching hot - Africa hot.
Supercomputers are a great tool; programmed wrong they can just get you to the wrong answer quicker.
No, you are uninformed. Ice core samples give a very good indication of climate. It's not models. It's OBSERVABLE DATA.
Gee, the Wall Street Journal OP ed page? "Perhaps" the climate change models are wrong? Anything peer-reviewed from an actual scientific source, like Nature? Science? The internet is full of half-baked nonsense.
Gee, the Wall Street Journal OP ed page? "Perhaps" the climate change models are wrong? Anything peer-reviewed from an actual scientific source, like Nature? Science? The internet is full of half-baked nonsense.
Oh, so these "scientists" aren't REAL "scientists" like the GW "scientists" huh?
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Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.
The above is from one of the links I see you didn't bother to read.....
I swam in a comfortably warm Lake Superior about a month ago. 1/2 mile off pictured rocks national lake shore. The water was turquoise and pristine really an unbelievable experience. Then we pulled the pontoon boat up on one of the beachs that was full of people taking advantage of this unusual opportunity provided by a hot summer
No, you are uninformed. Ice core samples give a very good indication of climate. It's not models. It's OBSERVABLE DATA.
The science of ice core samples is not settled. They aren't digging up prehistoric newspapers or grandma's thermometer - they are making an educated guess based on how they think the temperature would correlate to CO2 concentrations and/or layers of snow.
In 2009 they fed recent ice core samples into their model in an attempt to validate the model - we have 75 years of reasonably good data in parts of the arctic and Antarctic. In theory the extrapolated and estimated temps should match the actuals.
When the results didn't match the actuals they all went "well shucks, it was close.".
Nobody can dispute that it's warming. Humans are pretty arrogant to think we caused it 100%.
There is an emerging theory that undersea volcanic activity has more impact on climate than even solar events. Maybe we can tax Mauna Kea?
Nobody can dispute that it's warming. Humans are pretty arrogant to think we caused it 100%.
What's your threshold for participation in global warming where you decide that we should get off our duffs and, just perhaps, rethink a few things?
Sounds like it's 100%. Only if humans are 100% responsible are you willing to change what you are doing? Well, aren't you lucky - you just won't have to change.
What's your threshold for participation in global warming where you decide that we should get off our duffs and, just perhaps, rethink a few things?
Sounds like it's 100%. Only if humans are 100% responsible are you willing to change what you are doing? Well, aren't you lucky - you just won't have to change.
Why change if there is no reason to?
It's idiotic to disregard 750,000 years of past climate data, only analyze the last 90 or so years and proclaim mankind understands the climate..
It's idiotic to disregard 750,000 years of past climate data, only analyze the last 90 or so years and proclaim mankind understands the climate..
Talk about arrogance.....
Who is disregarding 750,000 years of climate data and only analyzing the past 90? Seems like you have no idea what you are talking about.
Talk about ignorance...
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