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Old 10-16-2020, 01:39 PM
 
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How many. How much money. How much of that came out of your tax dollars.
Too much. The Hyde Amendment is still valid and hasn't been repealed for good reason. It's unconstitutional to force taxpayers to pay for others' abortions if it violates their 1st Amendment Constitutional Right to the practice of their religion.

Religions that allow abortions

Note that it's not just evangelical religions that prohibit abortion.

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How much for Medicaid funded pregnancies and delivery, WIC, food stamps, taxpayer funded pediatrics. How much of your property taxes fund public schools.
What about taxpayer-funded insulin, rehab, etc.
Do you sit around and clutch your pearls over not having a say so in those peoples decisions?
The pro-abortion ethics can be used on those who are net drains on society, including those you mention. Just kill them. Society will be better off. It will cost everyone less money. That's the pro-abortion ethos. See a problem with that? I sure do.
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Old 10-16-2020, 01:51 PM
 
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Not that I agree with fetal homicide laws. IMO they should be the same as abortion laws depending on when the state allows abortion. Anything prior to that date would be considered mayhem not homicide.
Anyway its based on possession. The fetus belongs to the mother, she can abort it but you cant. Same as you can pluck out your own eye but I can not pluck out your eye without consequences.
You know this.
Since fathers are held responsible for the costs of birth and child support payments, no, a fetus is not solely a woman's possession. Society can change that by not holding fathers responsible for what pro-abortioners claim is a woman's unilateral choice.
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Old 10-16-2020, 01:58 PM
 
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Since fathers are held responsible for the costs of birth and child support payments, no, a fetus is not solely a woman's possession. Society can change that by not holding fathers responsible for what pro-abortioners claim is a woman's unilateral choice.
That's what I think. Abortion, just like child support and welfare, is a privilege not a right.
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:19 PM
 
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Too much. The Hyde Amendment is still valid and hasn't been repealed for good reason. It's unconstitutional to force taxpayers to pay for others' abortions if it violates their 1st Amendment Constitutional Right to the practice of their religion.

Religions that allow abortions

Note that it's not just evangelical religions that prohibit abortion.

The pro-abortion ethics can be used on those who are net drains on society, including those you mention. Just kill them. Society will be better off. It will cost everyone less money. That's the pro-abortion ethos. See a problem with that? I sure do.
So you dont know how much of your tax dollars went to abortions, or raising other peoples children, or medical expenses for other peoples lifestyle choices, or corporate bailouts, or politicians vacations but your worried about $1 going towards an abortion.
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:22 PM
 
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Since fathers are held responsible for the costs of birth and child support payments, no, a fetus is not solely a woman's possession. Society can change that by not holding fathers responsible for what pro-abortioners claim is a woman's unilateral choice.
Fathers are not held responsible for the cost of pregnancy and birth.
A fetus is not a child.
You have a say in a child. Of course you pay child support if you dont directly support your child.
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:23 PM
 
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That's what I think. Abortion, just like child support and welfare, is a privilege not a right.
Fathers are not held responsible for any cost of pregnancy or birth nor do they assume any risks or negative impacts to their life.
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:26 PM
 
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Fathers are not held responsible for any cost of pregnancy or birth nor do they assume any risks or negative impacts to their life.
Not true. If the father wanted the baby but the mother aborted, there's an incalculable negative impact to his life.
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:27 PM
 
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Fathers are not held responsible for any cost of pregnancy or birth nor do they assume any risks or negative impacts to their life.
That's not true. Fathers are sometimes put in jail for not paying high child support even if they have no means to pay. It's about as bad as slavery and debtor's prison.
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:29 PM
 
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Fathers are not held responsible for the cost of pregnancy and birth.
In what world? That's what part of child support payments is for.
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A fetus is not a child.
Also not true. If a fetus is not a child, why is it considered a person in regards to fetal homicide laws?
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You have a say in a child. Of course you pay child support if you dont directly support your child.
And there it is... "My body, my choice... but YOU pay for my choice."
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:29 PM
 
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That's not true. Fathers are sometimes put in jail for not paying high child support even if they have no means to pay. It's about as bad as slavery and debtor's prison.
Link to peer-reviewed study of this widespread phenomenon?
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