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Old 11-03-2012, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Easier said than done. For a woman who is facing pregnancy and motherhood alone, abortion can be the most responsible action.
Adoption exists you know.
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Adoption exists you know.
Accidental life threatening pregnancies also exist, you know.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:01 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Adoption exists you know.
And so does legal abortion. Let the woman decide which is right for her.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:24 PM
 
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Adoption exists you know.
Asked and answered. http://www.city-data.com/forum/26791064-post206.html
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Uhh - you call that an answer?

All you did was portray women who gave their chidren up adoption as "victims".

Those women created the lives in which they gave up to adoptive parents.

If they feel upset that their child is still "out there" - that is their snse of morality kicking in telling them that they should have cared for and raised the child.

Liberls need to lern the realities of raising a child - otherwise they will remain entirely clueless on the man-woman-reproduction question.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Uhh - you call that an answer?

All you did was portray women who gave their chidren up adoption as "victims".

Those women created the lives in which they gave up to adoptive parents.

If they feel upset that their child is still "out there" - that is their snse of morality kicking in telling them that they should have cared for and raised the child.

Liberls need to lern the realities of raising a child - otherwise they will remain entirely clueless on the man-woman-reproduction question.

I'll ask you this again, what about a married mother of two, three, or four? Her and her husband tame every precaution, but one slips past the goalie. Happens every year.

But in her case, the doctor tells her because of her diabetes, or some other medical condition, perhaps a tubal pregnancy, that she will certainly die. Should she take herself away from her already born children for a bundle of cells that will die and kill her?

Abortion isn't black and white. Its not a yes or no issue. As such government should stay the hell out of it.
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I wasn't thinking about birth control pills.

No woman is required to remove her clothes for a purpose other than bathing.
Wow, just wow! So it's back to "It's all the woman's fault"?
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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Uhh - you call that an answer?

All you did was portray women who gave their chidren up adoption as "victims".

Those women created the lives in which they gave up to adoptive parents.

If they feel upset that their child is still "out there" - that is their snse of morality kicking in telling them that they should have cared for and raised the child.

Liberls need to lern the realities of raising a child - otherwise they will remain entirely clueless on the man-woman-reproduction question.
I've given birth to two children. I know exactly what pregnancy does to a woman's body, both physically and mentally, and I sure wouldn't do it unless I wanted the resulting child. No woman should be compelled to carry a baby she doesn't want.

The 5 women I mentioned were victims. They were in their teens when they became pregnant, had to go into hiding during their pregnancies, and were forced to give up their resulting infants. What else would you call them?
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Wow, just wow! So it's back to "It's all the woman's fault"?
Are you implying that it is all the man's fault and that the woman bears absolutely no responsibility whatsoever?
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I've given birth to two children. I know exactly what pregnancy does to a woman's body, both physically and mentally, and I sure wouldn't do it unless I wanted the resulting child. No woman should be compelled to carry a baby she doesn't want.

The 5 women I mentioned were victims. They were in their teens when they became pregnant, had to go into hiding during their pregnancies, and were forced to give up their resulting infants. What else would you call them?
Were they raped? Because I don't see how one can be considered a victim in these circumstances, otherwise.

A teenager that has the ability to voluntarily take action that leads to procreation also has the ability to take responsibility for those actions.

That is why sex should be reserved for marriage - teenagers though having the ability and capacity to be responsible for bringing life into the world - do not have the requisite maturity.

Before you and some of the other lefties acuse me of advocating for a law that keeps people from engaging in sex before marriage - let me be clear - I am not. I am saying that it abstinence is the best protection - and getting that message out there. Thousands if not millions of teenagers have chosen to do so - and they are much happier with their lives and the decision to make sex a special activity confined to the limits of matrimony.

Abstinence is best - not giving out condoms and contraceptives and hoping things work out well.
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