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View Poll Results: Should we build the HSR network
Yes 192 60.57%
No 125 39.43%
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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Another thing I would like to say is that thid will move the US away from auto oriented Mcsuburban crap, and into the21st century with more susyainability and urbanism. I beleive that the fact that we have not constructed one yet shows our fall as a world power, and our devotion to unsustainable hideous crap.

 
Old 11-30-2012, 01:08 PM
 
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Cars and planes are the future. Trains are the past. We don't need to spend trillions on an outdated mode of transportation when we have many other things to fix like the debt. I live in a rural suburb and most of America eventually will and this will be useless for most Americans.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 01:13 PM
 
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Reading through this thread I have lost all respect for the suburban republicans, I say we build it and we begin now
 
Old 11-30-2012, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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Cars and planes are the future. Trains are the past. We don't need to spend trillions on an outdated mode of transportation when we have many other things to fix like the debt. I live in a rural suburb and most of America eventually will and this will be useless for most Americans.
I say its time we end this unsustainable crap hole called the "American way of life", and move into an anti suburban future. High speed rail is a good place to start, Id prefer being in Penn station over a strip mall any day of the week.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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I say its time we end this unsustainable crap hole called the "American way of life", and move into an anti suburban future. High speed rail is a good place to start, Id prefer being in Penn station over a strip mall any day of the week.
The american consumer disagrees with you.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 01:36 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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The american consumer disagrees with you.
Theres been a shifted from the Exurbs to the older Urbanized Suburbs in the last 10 years....so America is changing. Thats not to say the Exurbs aren't growing , its just slow if any vs a boom in the older Suburbs...which are sustainable....
 
Old 11-30-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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What Is your opinion on funding the new high speed rail program? Liberals are for it due to the fact that it would be environmentally friendly, while conservatives on the other hand think it is useless spending. I personally am a HUGE fan of it (due to the pro urban trend it would help set up).
For any such thing as this to be accepted by Americans, it MUST be capable of transportinig the family car along with the family. Nobody, anymore, will accept the slow speed of rail, AND the inconvenience of being a pedestrian when you get where you are going
 
Old 11-30-2012, 01:44 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Various systems of the Northeast in 2012 and 2030...includes Regional Rail , Subway / Metro , Light Rail , Streetcar and Bus rapid Transit , Regional Bus and Urban / Suburban Bus

Metropolitan Transportation Authority
System Size in 2012 : 2,282 miles
System size by 2030 : 3,580 miles
Stations in 2012 : 751
Stations in 2030 : 823
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 11.6 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 16.2 Million


New Jersey Transit / PATH / PATCO / Private Bus operators
System Size in 2012 : 690 miles
System Size by 2030 : 1,507 miles
Stations in 2012 : 314
Stations by 2030 : 620
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.8 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.7 Million


Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority & Bus Operators in Eastern Massachusetts
System Size in 2012 : 640 miles
System Size in 2030 : 1,660 miles
Stations in 2012 : 270
Stations in 2030 : 349
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.7 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 3.7 Million


Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority
System size in 2012 : 567 miles
System size by 2030 : 720 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 280
Stations by 2030 : 370
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.6 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.2 Million

Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority & Northern Virginia Transit
System Size in 2012 : 195 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 428 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 108
Stations by 2030 : 297
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.5 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.4 Million


Maryland Transit Administration
System Size in 2012 : 232 Miles
System size by 2030 : 664 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 90
Stations by 2030 : 216
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 370,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 1.5 Million

CT Transit & CDOT Rail Operations
System Size in 2012 : 157.4 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 510 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 59
Stations by 2030 : 112
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 278,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 650,000


Northern Virgina Transit Agencies
System Size in 2012 : 101.5 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 160.8 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 44
Stations by 2030 : 100
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 183,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 580,200


Long Island Bus Agencies
System Size in 2012 : 0
System size by 2030 : 45 Miles (Bus Rapid Transit only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 25
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 170,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 247,000


Lower Hudson Valley Bus Agencies & Future Urban Rail
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 24 Miles (Light Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 35
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 130,400
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 380,000+


Capital Region Bus Agencies (Albany)
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 85.7
Stations in 2012 : 3
Stations by 2030 : 34
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 85,800
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 250,000+


Rhode Island Public Transit Authority
System Size in 2012 : 20 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 280 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 5
Stations by 2030 : 59
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 81,070
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 360,000


Delaware First State Rail & Bus
System Size in 2012 : 18 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 190 Miles (Regional Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 4
Stations by 2030 : 26
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 65,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 310,000+


Amtrak Northeastern Division
System Size in 2012 : 2970 miles
System Size by 2030 : 3650 miles
Stations in 2012 : 109
Stations by 2030 : 141
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 45,900
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 215,000


New Hampshire (Capital Corridor) Bus & Future Rail Systems
System Size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 113.7 Miles (Regional Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 15
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 45,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 240,000+


BARTA (Reading) Transit
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 50 Miles (Regional Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 15
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 35,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 150,000+


Capital Area Transit
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 105 Miles (Regional Rail Only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 19
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 27,400
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 120,000+


Total Daily Ridership in 2012 : 19.8 Million
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 36.8 Million
 
Old 11-30-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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For any such thing as this to be accepted by Americans, it MUST be capable of transportinig the family car along with the family. Nobody, anymore, will accept the slow speed of rail, AND the inconvenience of being a pedestrian when you get where you are going
Im sorry but the amerivan way of life has to change. We have to live in walkable communities with maby cultural exeriences. This excuse that the suburbs are frienslt for younger people is pointless, in walkable communities, kids have more freedom, and arent stuck in their boring neighborhoods( this is a throry for why suburban teen dug use is common, bevause many people are just bored). The car is obsolete and global warming is one of the smallest social an environmental problems. The car has killed the city, and the community. Next, it has replaced it with a mess if fake plastic houses (there are no good looking buildings in the suburbs), and an endless sprawl of corporate cultureless development, killing mainstreets around america and replacing them with walmarts who give all of your money to china, and lastly, the only
Reason anybody needs a car is because these sprawls are built for the car to guzzle gas, rather than being built for people to enjoy their lives in.
You also mentioned how people should not have to walk is a rediculos point. First LET ME POINT OUT THAT WE ARE THE FATTEST NATIONON EARTH. A little walking doesnt only get you places, but also keeps you. In shape.
Last, you mentoin the "slow speed
Of rail, these trains are travelling at over 200 miles per hour (faster than the obsolete automobile). To finnish my point, I beleive that giving up our communities, our planet (to global warming), and our real cultures (NYC not Hellston), is not worth having little timmy be able to grow up lazy.

The American way of life has and will shift away from this, people
Are deciding to fix up and live in old
Row
Houses these days, just as much as others want to live in McCraphouses all ploped out on a cornfield.
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