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Old 01-02-2013, 09:22 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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What's really disturbing is that you clearly recognize how powerful the state is. Yet you seem to find comfort in it. If a coalition of "gun nuts" cannot achieve a coup. Then who can?

You are pretty much ceding to us being a police state.
Geez, and I though our stable government was a positive. I never thought frequent coups were something to be desired.

Have you considered Somalia?
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:22 PM
 
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This is a good question and I will try to give my point. I use weapons to provide immediate on site personal security. The products available are safe for me and for those in my area. A gun grab would not decrease crime and most likely would increase crime. Thus the security problem would remain and would likely increase. There are other solutions that are not as safe. No there will not be a civil war. This situation would be more like all of the other things that are banned in our society. For example look at drugs. The local cops tell me they cannot control drugs, even hard drugs. So guns would like drugs become the tools of the dark world. The folks attempting to ban guns are selling the idea of no guns equals safer world but that is just not reality.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:22 PM
 
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You suppose that the gunslingers would be able to organize sufficient resistance to require the civil power to summon the aid of the armed forces. But in all probability, nothing remotely close to that would be necessary; we have civilian police forces perfectly capable of dealing with armed criminals. They do it all the time.
Armed criminals. They are not organized nor present in numbers to control 150 million Americans preserving their second amendment rights.

You think Afghanistan is like pissing into the wind, screw around with hundreds of millions of armed, educated and resolute Americans with guns.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:22 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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And since the 1770s, the capability of the police has increased considerably. But by all means, don't take my word for it - please conduct your own experiment.
Right, because the local police simply cannot wait to go house to house in rural areas in an attempt to confiscate legally purchased and owned firearms. I'm sure they dream about it at night, right after root canals and going to the DMV.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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So now it is criminal to have any sort of resolve and commitment to protect your own constitutional rights?

You are brainwashed, and you are exactly the type of person a government tries to mold.
Thank you. I'll be happy to defend you at trial; everyone, even a tinpot revolutionary, is entitled to their day in court.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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Civilians probably own more guns than the police and military.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:24 PM
 
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Seeing that no one is coming to take away your guns, if you attack the government out of that fear, then yes you are a domestic terrorist.
U gave a scenario, and asked for an answer for that scenario.

That is my entire point. You want to call someone a domestic terrorist for defending their second amendment rights.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:24 PM
 
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Armed criminals. They are not organized nor present in numbers to control 150 million Americans preserving their second amendment rights.

You think Afghanistan is like pissing into the wind, screw around with hundreds of millions of armed, educated and resolute Americans with guns.
C'mon, boys! Show these yellow-bellied Feds how real men die! Follow me! Yeeeehaw! Et cetera.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:25 PM
 
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Thank you. I'll be happy to defend you at trial; everyone, even a tinpot revolutionary, is entitled to their day in court.
No thanks, I think I would prefer to hire representation with some credibility.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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This great country was created by a very smart group of men who were seen as criminals by some, they created what most said could never work and they recognized rights that many of us hold very dear to this day.
Many of them ended their lives destitute, jailed, homeless, and with their families and fortunes gone. IIRC, a couple were executed. Have at it.
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