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Given how obviously wrong your contention is, one would assume that you are making that statement "tounge in cheek" in order to attract contrary responses. No one (with an ounce of intelligence or common sense) believes such nonsense and only serves to reveal the idiocy of the initial contention and create a robust number of responses refuting such a fallacious statement.
Newsflash-
ALL of our politicians have been responsible for irrational spending over the last 40 years- ALL OF THEM. Obama is the undisputed champion of money wasting and the Gingrich congress (for which liberals attribute their fiscal responsibility to Clinton) has been the most frugal, but all have exercised fiscal lack of discipline.
Your contention of "Bush tax cuts" destroying the economy is absurd beyond belief-
1. If current spending was at inflation adjusted levels for the Gingrich era spending, we would have $200 billion in annual surpluses.
2. There was no "Clinton surplus"- Clinton added to the national debt every year of his presidency
3. Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to fiscal responsibility by the Gingrich Congress
4. Obama has increased discretionary and non discretionary spending to result in huge deficits
5. Even with two wars, your "Bush tax cuts", and a languid economy, Bush had deficits of $400 billion until the last year of his presidency, which was marred by the Democratic Congress, mortgage crisis, and TARF bailout.
Educate yourself with a few facts before starting statements with "All" or "Always", as these answers are "Always" incorrect on multiple choice, true or false, or K-type questions on exams.
America had no major deficits, until R. Reagan lowered rich peoples taxes.
When Bill Clinton raised rich people's taxes, he created surpluses, and he paid down our national debt.
Then GW Bush lowered rich peoples taxes again, and he created huge deficits, and national debt.
GW Bushs (biggest) tax cuts for the rich, kicked in while Obama was in office.
GW Bushs tax cuts for the rich, and his for nothing Iraq war, caused all of Obama's deficits.
But the question remains, who to trust?
Scientists call the republican party a "corporate propaganda group."
Republican news sources like Fox news and Rush radio, tell their listeners 100's of lies,
Lies like "global warming is not happening", this lie is a favor for oil corporations like ExxonMobile. (97% of climate scientists say it is happening)
or lies like "tax cuts for the rich increase government revenues." (100% of respected economists say, tax cuts do (not) increase government revenues.)
Here's more lies, Fox news and Rush radio tell their listeners.
the rich are forced to pay too much money in taxes (billionaires have a 17% tax rate, Americans who make $100,000 a year have a 30%+ tax rate.)
Large corporations are forced to pay too much money in taxes (corporations like GE often have a 0% federal tax rate.)
the democrats are the big spenders (Reagan and Bush created all our financial problems, by cutting rich peoples taxes, and by unnecessary military spending)
Please tell me some more things, Fox news and Rush radio told you.
If you want to control spending vote Democrat. Big expenses like tax cuts for the rich and wars are on them. We are still trying to clean up their mess. Why would we want to go backwards?
Except for his caution that they'll "risk losing the House in 2014", I agree. I do think and believe that they will be guaranteed to lose the HO-House[1] in 2014.
And that simple fact will forecast for us the new era Obozo has been working so diligently for and about which I've opined to the point of preaching it. A totalitarian state of one-party control. The formalization of the full and complete morphing of the once Democratic Party, that became the democratic party and in the LBJ 60s made the full transformation to the demonRATic party, that seduced a generation of people, by racial identity, to sell their souls and collective vote to them in perpetuity.
That national political disgrace that was a joining of hands of BOTH white and black politicians to w**** for the vote of a generationally seduced entire race of people dwarfs the "slavery" shame of this nation and except for rare public recognition of same since that time that REAL HISTORY passes by unnoticed. I lived through the inception of Grandpa Lyndon's Not-So-Great-Society and have demeaned and called it that consistently ever since. That singular tool of "social engineering" that set up future generations of agendas identified as "white guilt" and "affirmative action" and "political correctness" and more may well be the precursor to the death of this once great republic.
NOTE
[1}Previously, in different and better times, the House of Representatives was the "peoples' House". No more. Now it is merely just another "HO-House".
conservatives have to stop listening to people who are wrong all the time.
Here's a test for conservatives, look up what Kudlow said about the Clinton tax increases and impact those tax increases would have on the economy, compare that analysis to the objective reality of how the economy performed after those tax increases.
Look up what Kudlow said about the Bush tax cuts and how those tax cuts would impact the economy, compare that analysis to the objective reality of the economy's performance after those tax cuts.
Look up what Kudlow said about the Iraq war and compare that analysis to the reality of the war.
Look up what Kudlow said about the impact of the stimulus and the fed printing money on interest rates compare that analysis to the actual interest rates since the stimulus and the fed continuing actions.
Look up what Kudlow said about the Presidential elections compare that analysis to the actual reality of the election.
Dude gets every major story wrong. Why do conservatives listen?
If you want to control spending vote Democrat. Big expenses like tax cuts for the rich and wars are on them. We are still trying to clean up their mess. Why would we want to go backwards?
Given how obviously wrong your contention is, one would assume that you are making that statement "tounge in cheek" in order to attract contrary responses. No one (with an ounce of intelligence or common sense) believes such nonsense and only serves to reveal the idiocy of the initial contention and create a robust number of responses refuting such a fallacious statement.
Newsflash-
ALL of our politicians have been responsible for irrational spending over the last 40 years- ALL OF THEM. Obama is the undisputed champion of money wasting and the Gingrich congress (for which liberals attribute their fiscal responsibility to Clinton) has been the most frugal, but all have exercised fiscal lack of discipline.
Your contention of "Bush tax cuts" destroying the economy is absurd beyond belief-
1. If current spending was at inflation adjusted levels for the Gingrich era spending, we would have $200 billion in annual surpluses.
2. There was no "Clinton surplus"- Clinton added to the national debt every year of his presidency
3. Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to fiscal responsibility by the Gingrich Congress
4. Obama has increased discretionary and non discretionary spending to result in huge deficits
5. Even with two wars, your "Bush tax cuts", and a languid economy, Bush had deficits of $400 billion until the last year of his presidency, which was marred by the Democratic Congress, mortgage crisis, and TARF bailout.
Educate yourself with a few facts before starting statements with "All" or "Always", as these answers are "Always" incorrect on multiple choice, true or false, or K-type questions on exams.
Almost everything you said above, is either a lie, or a manipulation.
1. You said, "the Gingrich congress (for which liberals attribute their fiscal responsibility to Clinton)"
This is a lie. According to any non-partisan source, Clinton's balanced budget was caused by him raising taxes on the wealthy (not a Gingrich congress.)
2. You said, "Obama is the undisputed champion of money wasting."
This is a lie. Reagan and Bush spent more money than anyone.
(If you keep reading, you will understand how you are lying, with your above statement.)
3. You said, "Your contention of "Bush tax cuts" destroying the economy is absurd beyond belief-"
This is a lie, and a manipulation. The Bush tax cuts added $2.4 trillion dollars to our national debt. And the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, financed the building of many US factories in China (do you deny this?).
5. You said, "Obama has increased discretionary and non discretionary spending to result in huge deficits"
This is lie and a (HUGE) manipulation. Bush turned Clinton's surpluses in huge deficits. Obama's deficits are being caused by Bush's tax cuts for the rich (that are going on right now, while Obama is in office.) Obama's deficits are also being caused, by Bush's for nothing Iraq war.
6. You said, "Bush had deficits of $400 billion until the last year of his presidency."
This is a lie, and a (HUGE) manipulation. There was a $459 billion dollar deficit in 2008. And in 2009 there was a $1.4 trillion dollar deficit. Bush's tax cuts for the rich, kicked in when Obama was in office, and you are using this fact to manipulate and lie.
conservatives have to stop listening to people who are wrong all the time.
Here's a test for conservatives, look up what Kudlow said about the Clinton tax increases and impact those tax increases would have on the economy, compare that analysis to the objective reality of how the economy performed after those tax increases.
Look up what Kudlow said about the Bush tax cuts and how those tax cuts would impact the economy, compare that analysis to the objective reality of the economy's performance after those tax cuts.
Look up what Kudlow said about the Iraq war and compare that analysis to the reality of the war.
Look up what Kudlow said about the impact of the stimulus and the fed printing money on interest rates compare that analysis to the actual interest rates since the stimulus and the fed continuing actions.
Look up what Kudlow said about the Presidential elections compare that analysis to the actual reality of the election.
Dude gets every major story wrong. Why do conservatives listen?
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What did you not comprehend about my opening comment which was... "Finally good to see that Larry Kudlow gets one right imo... ".
Fyi I'm am not a regular devotee of Mr. Kudlow, but in this case my eye caught his article, because I agree with his opinion.
You republicans live in a fantasy world, that is filled with lies.
You're going to drown in your own lies mister chad.
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When Reagan lowered billionaires taxes, this created deficits, and these deficits grew our national debt.
LIE! ("billionaires"? I'd like your source authority for that please). During the Reagan years (8), like in all other presidencies, only the House of Representatives is constitutionally authorized to appropriate money bills FOR SPENDING. Guess which of the two major parties controlled the House for ALL 8 YEARS ? The one and only 'we don't need no steenkin' demonRATic party.'[1]That's who. So Reagan was forced to deal with RAT power-broker Tip O'Neil to get done what he wanted out of Congress, which included rebuilding some of our military might as this comment notes..."It was more during the Nixon and Ford era that key programs were developed that are the backbone of today's military, and during the Reagan era they were procured,"[2]. For that reason Reagan never got direct credit as much as undeserved blame for his reviving the 60s StarWars initiative which never materialized, because...in the end it never worked. I say "undeserved", because it wasn't his fault that the scientist who claimed they could accomplish what they stated in the end couldn't. Of course, that doesn't matter to you lefties as you still love to make him the "whipping boy". You also don't recognize that Reagan's dedication to rebuilding our military helped to wear down the Evil Empire in trying to keep up.[2] Try checking an UNREDACTED American history book out of your local libraary. Make sure not to get the braille version by mistake.
[1] United States Presidents and control of Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[2] Reagan's Defense Buildup Bridged Military Eras
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But Clinton raised taxes on billionaires, and this created surpluses, and Clinton was paying down our national debt.
LIE! ("billionaires"? I'd like your source authority for that please).
The Prodigal Prez, Bubba Clinton, he of the you-know-what that even bent left, ONLY had PROJECTED SURPLUSES (LOL! They're like Obama promises!). In matter of real political fact he had deficits and in every year of his reign[3]
[3] The Myth of the Clinton Surplus (I've used this excellent expose of leftarded LIES on other sites and always give the same advice - SAVE FOR FUTURE USE. Not to you, but as reminder to myself you clowns. And so I have.)
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But then GW Bush lowered billionaires taxes again, and Clinton's surpluses turned into deficits, and this grew our national debt again.
A REPEATED LIE already proven! ("billionaires"? I'd like your source authority for that please).
At this point chad the merciful thing to do would be to stop responding to your lies to not embarass you even more. I'll continue though, because I have no pity for the "disloyal opposition".
Sorry about that. Wellll...upon reconsideration...not really! Let's go on.
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Then Bush came out with his "weapons of mass deception" and attacked Iraq for nothing, and spent $1 trillion dollars doing it.
LIE! You RATS just parrot one another on this one. Still, seeking to blame Little Georgie-boy Bush for everything and anything you incorrectly define "weapons of mass destruction" to highlight more lies. Anyone who wan't politically indoctrinated to the "sheeple" herd here in the USA knows that all the best available intelligence in the world stated the belief that Sadass Hussein had such "weapons".
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At one point Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law and the man who was in charge of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction efforts can be heard on the tapes, speaking openly about hiding information from the U.N.
"We did not reveal all that we have," Kamel says in the meeting. "Not the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct."
Shortly after this meeting, in August 1995, Hussein Kamel defected to Jordan, and Iraq was forced to admit that it had concealed its biological weapons program. (Kamel returned to Iraq in February 1996 and was killed in a firefight with Iraqi security forces.)
Obama is paying for Bush's Iraq war, but more importantly Bush's (largest) tax cuts for billionaires, kicked in while Obama was in office.
AGAIN THE SAME LIE ABOUT BILLIONAIRES! YOU really should be ashamed, but like most lefties you have no shame.
And then more sh*t with all of this which I'll leave un responded to, because it doesn't even rate a response.
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Any 14 year old child should be able to see, that Reagan and GW Bush created all of our financial problems.
But your lying CEO leaders at Fox news and Rush radio, tell you other wise.
The CEO's at Fox news and Rush radio tell you republicans 100's of lies,
Like tax cuts increase government revenues.
Global warming is not happening.
Large corporations pay too much money in taxes.
The rich pay too much money in taxes.
And the democrats are the big spenders.
You republicans claim to admire honesty, while Fox news and Rush radio tell you 100's of lies.
And you republicans claim to know finances, while you have created this countries national debt.
In appreciation for all those lies I'll counter with a challenge to you. Can you prove that we DON'T HAVE a spending problem and support what YOUR Great Leader said[5]?
You're going to drown in your own lies mister chad.
LIE! ("billionaires"? I'd like your source authority for that please). During the Reagan years (8), like in all other presidencies, only the House of Representatives is constitutionally authorized to appropriate money bills FOR SPENDING. Guess which of the two major parties controlled the House for ALL 8 YEARS ? The one and only 'we don't need no steenkin' demonRATic party.'[1]That's who. So Reagan was forced to deal with RAT power-broker Tip O'Neil to get done what he wanted out of Congress, which included rebuilding some of our military might as this comment notes..."It was more during the Nixon and Ford era that key programs were developed that are the backbone of today's military, and during the Reagan era they were procured,"[2]. For that reason Reagan never got direct credit as much as undeserved blame for his reviving the 60s StarWars initiative which never materialized, because...in the end it never worked. I say "undeserved", because it wasn't his fault that the scientist who claimed they could accomplish what they stated in the end couldn't. Of course, that doesn't matter to you lefties as you still love to make him the "whipping boy". You also don't recognize that Reagan's dedication to rebuilding our military helped to wear down the Evil Empire in trying to keep up.[2] Try checking an UNREDACTED American history book out of your local libraary. Make sure not to get the braille version by mistake.
[1] United States Presidents and control of Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[2] Reagan's Defense Buildup Bridged Military Eras
LIE! ("billionaires"? I'd like your source authority for that please).
The Prodigal Prez, Bubba Clinton, he of the you-know-what that even bent left, ONLY had PROJECTED SURPLUSES (LOL! They're like Obama promises!). In matter of real political fact he had deficits and in every year of his reign[3]
[3] The Myth of the Clinton Surplus (I've used this excellent expose of leftarded LIES on other sites and always give the same advice - SAVE FOR FUTURE USE. Not to you, but as reminder to myself you clowns. And so I have.)
A REPEATED LIE already proven! ("billionaires"? I'd like your source authority for that please).
At this point chad the merciful thing to do would be to stop responding to your lies to not embarass you even more. I'll continue though, because I have no pity for the "disloyal opposition".
Sorry about that. Wellll...upon reconsideration...not really! Let's go on.
LIE! You RATS just parrot one another on this one. Still, seeking to blame Little Georgie-boy Bush for everything and anything you incorrectly define "weapons of mass destruction" to highlight more lies. Anyone who wan't politically indoctrinated to the "sheeple" herd here in the USA knows that all the best available intelligence in the world stated the belief that Sadass Hussein had such "weapons".
[4]
[4] EXCLUSIVE: Saddam's Secret Tapes - ABC News
AGAIN THE SAME LIE ABOUT BILLIONAIRES! YOU really should be ashamed, but like most lefties you have no shame.
And then more sh*t with all of this which I'll leave un responded to, because it doesn't even rate a response.
In appreciation for all those lies I'll counter with a challenge to you. Can you prove that we DON'T HAVE a spending problem and support what YOUR Great Leader said[5]?
I wanted to take the time and say I did not respond to your last post directed at me. I thought it would be futile, even though we both lean right the area of contention would never ever find common ground. And the other reason is the thread went off into another direction.
With that said I enjoyed the debate and the elbow throwing, but most of the time we will be in agreement. I am sure we will have some other debates and more elbow throwing in the future.
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TOH to you
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