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Old 01-25-2013, 09:09 PM
 
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If anyone would like a serious academic education on this topic -- not one that is myopic or one sided with falsehoods.

Read James McPherson's And the War Came, out of the book This Mighty Scourge.

He does a fantastic job of analyzing historian opinions over the years and the changing statements of historical figures particularly in the south.

 
Old 01-25-2013, 09:12 PM
 
Location: NC
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Exactly, you can see several southern newspapers of the era that mention if Lincoln gets his way that in ten years or less, slavery will be abolished and blacks will be running around raping and pillaging.

The root cause of secession is to protect the health of slavery.

There was no bigger issue in the 1850s than the expansion of slavery and other slave related issues. Period.
That is exactly it. Interestingly the civil war could have been at least postponed for a while, and the US would probably somewhat larger as a nation had Northern Senators not gotten in the way of Southerners attempts to annex the Caribbean where a slave economy based on sugar was strongly established. Basically since slavery was already established adding Caribbean islands to the US as slave states would have allowed the South to maintain their balance in the Senate just a bit longer. It is little know historical fact, but southerners sought to purchase Cuba in 1854 to allow for slave state expansion and a similar proposal was made earlier for what is now the Dominican Republic. These and possibly Puerto Rico would have kept the balancing act together for a while longer though ultimately the southern system with its inherent weakness would have likely brought some conflict to fruition.
 
Old 01-25-2013, 09:12 PM
 
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Why is it that none of you southern apologists actually take the time to read the evidence I clearly present in the OP? Are you all really this willfully ignorant?

The southern leaders themselves proudly declared that they seceded over slavery, and this was their chief motive for starting the bloodiest war in American history. There is no dispute. The criminal confessed.
Yes they are. No matter how much evidence you present these people will never admit. They have an agenda and it involves covering up the truth.
 
Old 01-25-2013, 09:15 PM
 
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That is exactly it. Interestingly the civil war could have been at least postponed for a while, and the US would probably somewhat larger as a nation had Northern Senators not gotten in the way of Southerners attempts to annex the Caribbean where a slave economy based on sugar was strongly established. Basically since slavery was already established adding Caribbean islands to the US as slave states would have allowed the South to maintain their balance in the Senate just a bit longer. It is little know historical fact, but southerners sought to purchase Cuba in 1854 to allow for slave state expansion and a similar proposal was made earlier for what is now the Dominican Republic. These and possibly Puerto Rico would have kept the balancing act together for a while longer though ultimately the southern system with its inherent weakness would have likely brought some conflict to fruition.
Yes. The Ostend Manifesto is what you are talking about. The south looking to expand slavery to the south.

Don't forget the Wilmot Provisio -- where the south had a chance to prove that they had no intentions to expand slavery and summarily rejected it.
 
Old 01-25-2013, 09:17 PM
 
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Yes. The Ostend Manifesto is what you are talking about. The south looking to expand slavery to the south.

Don't forget the Wilmot Provisio -- where the south had a chance to prove that they had no intentions to expand slavery and summarily rejected it.
Yes the Ostend Manifesto in Cuba and in the Dominican Buenaventura Baez.
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