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Old 01-28-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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BTW...I guess you don't have worry about energy costs when you live in your mother's basement..
I'm sure you are expert in that field and have no need to guess.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If you know of one I'd be interested in seeing a link to data that actually breaks down the costs of both the plant and power production and how much it's changed by EPA standards. I don't think coal is going away anytime soon but seeing the recent pictures of air in China, I don't see trying to clean it up as a bad thing. Reminded me of driving thru the pre-emission controls LA Basin, not very pleasant at all.
Burdell, I couldn't do it justice. There's a poster here (coalman I think is his screen name) who is in the industry and knows all about it. The comment in my post came from reading his posts about the new regulations and their effects on the industry.

Coal-Fired Power Plant Enforcement Initiative | Compliance and Enforcement | US EPA

There's currently no accessible technology to bring coal fired plants in line with the new EPA limits on greenhouse gases. Gas fired plants can meet them, but not coal fired plants. This new plant would probably fall under the new EPA mandates if the EPA won even though the permit was issued in Jan 2011.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/sc...ants.html?_r=0
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:55 AM
 
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I'm not surprised you post yet another inane non-sequitur.
truth always hurts...huh...
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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More people probably die from choking on food, or walking down stairs.
We shouldn't abate deaths in one area because... well, death occurs in others. Well that's a brilliant argument that I wish I had come up with.

...Yes Sheldon, that's sarcasm.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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truth always hurts...huh...
Well, I have no aches or pains when I read your blather so I guess you're correct!
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: US
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To quote another listmate, oh those painful facts.

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A tad bit biased since this group works with governments to fight global warming and are big backers of the new EPA guidelines.

And if you follow the dots..the connection goes back to Fenton Communications.
Fenton Communications is not the poster child for liberal social issues..they design and distribute those posters.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:07 AM
 
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We shouldn't abate deaths in one area because... well, death occurs in others. Well that's a brilliant argument that I wish I had come up with.

...Yes Sheldon, that's sarcasm.
Liberals use that idiotic argument to justify destroying coal power.

Nothing in this world is ever 100% safe, you are living in a Utopian fantasy land if you think that is possible.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:09 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Burdell, I couldn't do it justice. There's a poster here (coalman I think is his screen name) who is in the industry and knows all about it. The comment in my post came from reading his posts about the new regulations and their effects on the industry.

Coal-Fired Power Plant Enforcement Initiative | Compliance and Enforcement | US EPA

There's currently no accessible technology to bring coal fired plants in line with the new EPA limits on greenhouse gases. Gas fired plants can meet them, but not coal fired plants. This new plant would probably fall under the new EPA mandates if the EPA won even though the permit was issued in Jan 2011.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/sc...ants.html?_r=0

I don't know, haven't read enough about it.

I've spent more time in the auto biz and well remember all the griping about EPA standards and how they couldn't be met and at the time there really wasn't any great technology available. But today you'd have a hard time convincing me that today's cars aren't more fuel efficient, cleaner, and longer lived than those of 30-40 years ago, due largely to emissions standards, and that they aren't a better value for the consumer. Given the industry used to seem more concerned about making neater looking tail-fins than making any serious engineering improvements, I doubt we'd have gotten to where we are as quckly without standards being imposed.

Makes me prone to asking whether the power companies can't do it or just don't want to.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Texas does have an incredible jump in wage brackets across the board. They have recently surpassed NY as the 2nd most populace state so the need for all the lower earning jobs (the Walmart and fast food type of jobs) are going to reflect that. But the I-35 stretch from DFW to San Antonio has become a major IT corredor in the US a major player in International business. It really is growing across all the pay brackets, but the lower ones will always be the greatest in growth as long as the population continues to grow due to the very nature of those jobs.
Isn't a lot of that from DoD and defense contractors?
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The left wing won't be happy until we have only windmills...

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That darn Texas Marxist, T. Boone Pickens, who wants windmill farms!
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