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Old 01-28-2013, 08:14 AM
 
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That's ok. Texas is a job creating utopia, right? There are 3900 brand new jobs waiting on those folks as soon as they leave work today.
Whatever snarky liberal response it takes to protect Barack "The Wrecking Ball" Obama, eh.

This same scenario is being repeated all over the country. Good, hard working people losing their jobs, and the lib'tards could care less, because it's all about partisan politics.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:14 AM
 
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It may not be doing what they were doing, but - yes, they will jobs waiting for them (if they willing and hired). It is a myth that only minimum wage jobs are being created in Texas. They consistently rank in the top 3 states for higher income growth.
Only a few years ago, i saw some evidence that the only state that lead Texas in minimum wage job creation was Mississippi.

That said, sure they may not be all minimum wage jobs, but how much MORE than minimum wage are they paying? .10 cents? 1 dollar?

Even in the oilfields, they really aren't making that much money. To take home those big paydays, you've gotta work a ton of hours. I checked into that a few years back, and i was astounded at how many hours you have to work to take home what i'd consider to be "good money."
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:16 AM
 
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Interesting. Here is a link to an article about some of the other reasons the company is withdrawing:

Las Brisas Power Plant Is Gone With the Wind | David Doniger's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC

From the local newspaper:

EDITORIAL: To blame EPA for Las Brisas' failure ignores the market » Corpus Christi Caller-Times

From the latter link:

"Speaking of industrial expansion, the local outlook has changed considerably since 2008. The game-changers include a major Chinese specialty steel pipe plant at Gregory and two Italian-owned plastics plants pending along the ship channel. Investment-wise, those plants plus two retooled, reopened gas-fueled power plants offset Las Brisas' $3 billion. And they represent hundreds of permanent jobs. The generously best-case permanent employment outlook for Las Brisas was maybe 100 jobs."

The 'truth' is probably somewhere in the middle, as is often the case. It does appear a lot of the local people were against the proposed plant, citing dangers from mercury, etc., which apparently is created by the burning of petroleum coke. I find persuasive the articles noting that the cheap natural gas boom is a factor.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:16 AM
 
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Whatever snarky liberal response it takes to protect Barack "The Wrecking Ball" Obama, eh.

This same scenario is being repeated all over the country. Good, hard working people losing their jobs, and the lib'tards could care less, because it's all about partisan politics.
There's a good chance there were a significant amount of union workers in those 3900 so there's a bright side for the right wingers.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:17 AM
 
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This is the problem, wind power, or solar are not “reliable base load power.” Obama's EPA is destroying baseload power, with nothing to replace it with.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:17 AM
 
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Whatever snarky liberal response it takes to protect Barack "The Wrecking Ball" Obama, eh.

This same scenario is being repeated all over the country. Good, hard working people losing their jobs, and the lib'tards could care less, because it's all about partisan politics.
Please. The jobs hadn't even existed yet. Go have some breakfast or something.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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If a power plant is killing people,it needs to be killed.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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Only a few years ago, i saw some evidence that the only state that lead Texas in minimum wage job creation was Mississippi.

That said, sure they may not be all minimum wage jobs, but how much MORE than minimum wage are they paying? .10 cents? 1 dollar?

Even in the oilfields, they really aren't making that much money. To take home those big paydays, you've gotta work a ton of hours. I checked into that a few years back, and i was astounded at how many hours you have to work to take home what i'd consider to be "good money."
Texas does have an incredible jump in wage brackets across the board. They have recently surpassed NY as the 2nd most populace state so the need for all the lower earning jobs (the Walmart and fast food type of jobs) are going to reflect that. But the I-35 stretch from DFW to San Antonio has become a major IT corredor in the US a major player in International business. It really is growing across all the pay brackets, but the lower ones will always be the greatest in growth as long as the population continues to grow due to the very nature of those jobs.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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Take NRDC articles with a grain of salt.
They have connections to Greenpeace, Gore and are big on the climate change bandwagon and have a revolving door with the EPA and Environmental Working Group and all those connections lead back to Fenton Communications.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:25 AM
 
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Texas does have an incredible jump in wage brackets across the board. They have recently surpassed NY as the 2nd most populace state so the need for all the lower earning jobs (the Walmart and fast food type of jobs) are going to reflect that. But the I-35 stretch from DFW to San Antonio has become a major IT corredor in the US a major player in International business. It really is growing across all the pay brackets, but the lower ones will always be the greatest in growth as long as the population continues to grow due to the very nature of those jobs.
I don't doubt it. Still though, i'll look again in 10 years to see what all the hulaballoo was all about. If the wage growth is spread pretty well around the middle classes, then i'll give props. But please, accept my apology for my current skepticism.

I'm in Texas a lot these days (Dallas, Killeen, Permian Basin, and S.A. areas) going TDY for my current employer, and things look fine. But again, i'm not fully buying it. I wanna see what things look like after the oil boom goes bust or at least levels off (as they inevitably always do)....to me, that'll tell the real truth.
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