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I have read plenty about how back ground check will help? The same link you have provided (that I also provided earlier) states that 500 guns are stolen on a daily basis.
Now, you tell me how those 500,000 guns a year that are stolen....will be held to these standards that you want?
All the grabbers want is a method of knowing who should have the gun. They don't think at all about gun violence, just want to make it harder to buy and give the government an address of every owner so they can go door to door looking. Since our AG and President have said that due process is not necessary they will be able to force their way in to look around the house. I wonder if they would even try to find out if the present resident is the one who bought a gun.
WHY ON EARTH would you have to pay for a background check for EACH GUN you're buying, when you're buying more than one in a single transaction?!?!
Single transaction!
Get it?!?!?!?
What, do you think something's going to change in the database in the five minutes between phone calls?
OMFG!
Which goes back to my first point. These guys don't care about reducing violence. It's all about how much crap they can push forward against law abiding owners. They are so afraid of guns they will do anything to make it harder to own one. They are more afraid of a weapon then the criminal that may harm them, even with bare hands or a knife.
If someone buys a gun for you in another state that has lax laws and then gives or sells it to you without proper checks, that should be illegal and if that gun is used in a crime the person who gave you the gun should also be charged for the crime.
What you are talking about is called a straw purchase and that is already illegal... Practically everything angle has a law, but the enforcement is lax not the laws. What if the gun is stolen though? If a stolen gun is used in a crime should the former owner be charged?
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Originally Posted by Mac_Muz
If you are dealing with NICS it is a Federal BC and they will contact every state you ever bought a gun in. That one instant call gets it...... BC is not exactly a state by state thing but then is is....
NICS does it all at once.... If a state like say MASS hangs up a buyer because agents don't feel like they want to work that day, then the LAW says if in x time (I forget) the buyer gets the gun anyway..
Unless you get denied by NICS you get the gun(S)
urbanlife is a kook, and like most gun grabbers refuses to even try to understand... It;s simple really.
The grabbers think they can get a certain type of class gun and they can't. but you can't make them understand, and the gun they want most is hand guns..
They won't admit to that for the moment, but I bet you know better just like me.
Urbanlife is usually pretty moderate on guns. He may not be informed on how many different laws there are and I haven't seen him say any guns should be banned, but he does want background checks. Most people do though.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
Universal background checks would make it easier to catch these people.
How will a universal background check catch a straw purchaser? You can only buy a gun in the state you reside in. The background check goes through the FBI. If you buy a gun online or from another state then the seller has to ship the gun to a dealer in your state to complete the transaction (background check, paperwork, etc.). You can't buy a gun if you have a felony, drug or alcohol problems, a court adjudicated you mentally ill, you have a current criminal charge, a DV charge, owe child support, and countless other disqualifying factor.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
I think a dealer should be under even more strict laws and should have to prove every sale and purchase they make to prevent them from selling and buying guns illegally.
Dealers are already under extremely strict laws though. It is very difficult to get a FFL and that license can be revoked if you violate the laws.
Yes that and a FFL must keep good records of transaction because if the BATF come to inspect ( and they do) and find something off the FFL will be in a heap of trouble.
Yeah I know. I used to work as a FFL dealer's clerk. I entered guns off the UPS trucks as they came in and logged them out on the other book and placed the 4473 forms in the file cabinets locking them up. I had to pass a different BC and be finger printed like a criminal to take that job.
These little whiners have no idea and think they have an original thought and no laws exist...
Little and I do mean little do they know what laws there are....
For example the Mass State gun law book being 25,000 pages thick of nothing but jibberish judges can't understand.
Yeah I know. I used to work as a FFL dealer's clerk. I entered guns off the UPS trucks as they came in and logged them out on the other book and placed the 4473 forms in the file cabinets locking them up. I had to pass a different BC and be finger printed like a criminal to take that job.
These little whiners have no idea and think they have an original thought and no laws exist...
Little and I do mean little do they know what laws there are....
For example the Mass State gun law book being 25,000 pages thick of nothing but jibberish judges can't understand.
The clueless anti-gun folks probably think buying guns is like buying anything else. Walk into the store, load up your cart with firearms and ammo and head on over to the self-checkout line.
Which goes back to my first point. These guys don't care about reducing violence. It's all about how much crap they can push forward against law abiding owners. They are so afraid of guns they will do anything to make it harder to own one. They are more afraid of a weapon then the criminal that may harm them, even with bare hands or a knife.
Plus they don't even want to protect their families.
Scared, they hate their spouses and kids, take your pick.
Sad people indeed.
Why am I suddenly reminded of the Beanie Baby craze?
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