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Old 03-02-2013, 07:47 PM
 
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In actuality, it does not matter. Women who own guns, at least the ones I know, and I know many, are not going to give them up because of studies and peer-review articles. There's studies and peer review articles that show smoking may cause cancer. 600,000 worldwide die of just second hand smoke. Yet people still smoke. Deaths in automobile accidents exceed deaths by guns, and people still refuse to wear their seat belts and still drive crazy. Ellemint, you can post 10,000 articles to prove you are right, and we know how important that is, but it is not going to matter. People are buying guns at an extremely fast rate, and the number of women doing so increases. I own a gun, and am wholly unaffected by the articles and studies. If you choose not to own a gun, that's your choice.

 
Old 03-02-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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That doesn't make sense. Have you not read the last several pages on this thread? The presence of a gun in the home is more likely to be a danger to a woman. Maybe in fantasy land she can dive for the gun and get to it before her angry husband, but in reality, that apparently doesn't happen.

Or go to this interactive graph of all the gun homicides since Newtown. Click on the little figures indicating female victims. See how many were killed by a boyfriend or husband. Even if it was a murder suicide which somehow doesn't "count" in your eyes, the woman still had her life taken, sometimes along with her children. On average nearly 3 women a day are killed by an intimate partner (1027 in total for the year 2011 - not always with a gun).


Gun-death tally: Every American gun death since Newtown Sandy Hook shooting (INTERACTIVE). - Slate Magazine
Again, I'm not even going to give some left wing publication the time of day. FBI statistics show that gun ownership saves lives, my personal life experiences back that up more than one time. My wife and daughters are in a lot more danger from people who think like you do than from any gun in our home.
 
Old 03-02-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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In actuality, it does not matter. Women who own guns, at least the ones I know, and I know many, are not going to give them up because of studies and peer-review articles. There's studies and peer review articles that show smoking may cause cancer. 600,000 worldwide die of just second hand smoke. Yet people still smoke. Deaths in automobile accidents exceed deaths by guns, and people still refuse to wear their seat belts and still drive crazy. Ellemint, you can post 10,000 articles to prove you are right, and we know how important that is, but it is not going to matter. People are buying guns at an extremely fast rate, and the number of women doing so increases. I own a gun, and am wholly unaffected by the articles and studies. If you choose not to own a gun, that's your choice.
It's not the articles and studies that matter. It's reality. And in reality, any woman who wants a gun in the house is going to have to balance the risks and benefits for herself. But personally I do not own a gun, and I would not share a home with someone who kept his or her gun(s) in the home.
 
Old 03-02-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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I own a gun, and am wholly unaffected by the articles and studies. If you choose not to own a gun, that's your choice.
Exactly. If you fear firearms don't buy one, it's just that simple.
 
Old 03-02-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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It's not the articles and studies that matter. It's reality. And in reality, any woman who wants a gun in the house is going to have to balance the risks and benefits for herself. But personally I do not own a gun, and I would not share a home with someone who kept his or her gun(s) in the home.
So do you recognize a woman's right to choose in this case or do you only feel women are capable of making a choice when it comes to things like abortion?
 
Old 03-02-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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Again, I'm not even going to give some left wing publication the time of day. FBI statistics show that gun ownership saves lives, my personal life experiences back that up more than one time. My wife and daughters are in a lot more danger from people who think like you do than from any gun in our home.
Go ahead, keep your blinkers on. The deaths posted there are are real deaths, verifiable if you click on them. Just because you don't like the publication, doesn't mean those gun deaths didn't occur.
 
Old 03-02-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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oh well...same ole thing.

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Old 03-02-2013, 07:54 PM
 
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Go ahead, keep your blinkers on. The deaths posted there are are real deaths, verifiable if you click on them. Just because you don't like the publication, doesn't mean those gun deaths didn't occur.
I never said they weren't real deaths. My wife and I are smart enough to know that some guy shooting himself with a handgun doesn't mean anything to our safety in our home. We are smart enough to know that her chances of defending our family and home against an attacker (stranger or not) is much greater with her self defense weapon. It has nothing to do with me liking or not liking a publication, I just know biased agenda driven BS when I see it.
 
Old 03-02-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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So do you recognize a woman's right to choose in this case or do you only feel women are capable of making a choice when it comes to things like abortion?
I absolutely recognize a woman's right to chose whether or not to own a gun. If I lived in a rural area by myself in an isolated setting, I might consider buying a gun (and I'm a woman), although in reality I think owning some dogs would be more fun and offer better protection. But I don't live in a rural area, and I would never live with someone who wanted to keep their gun in the home, because guns are a dangerous lethal weapon, and you have a substantially higher chance of dying from suicide or homicide if there is a gun in the home, and that's a risk I do not want to take.

The only person I know who owned a gun had it stolen from his bedside table drawer when he was sleeping, by an intruder. He's lucky to be alive.
 
Old 03-02-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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I absolutely recognize a woman's right to chose whether or not to own a gun. If I lived in a rural area by myself in an isolated setting, I might consider buying a gun (and I'm a woman), although in reality I think owning some dogs would be more fun and offer better protection. But I don't live in a rural area, and I would never live with someone who wanted to keep their gun in the home, because guns are a dangerous lethal weapon, and you have a substantially higher chance of dying from suicide or homicide if there is a gun in the home, and that's a risk I do not want to take.

The only person I know who owned a gun had it stolen from his bedside table drawer when he was sleeping, by an intruder. He's lucky to be alive.
So do you support the current gun control legislation being proposed all around the country?
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