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Old 02-23-2013, 10:46 PM
 
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Somebody has to fill those jobs, the pay increases until someone does. As long as you have so many illegals willing to accept lower wages the pay will never increase.
But the pay won't increase. They are paid minimum wage. How would the pay increase if they weren't hired?
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:51 PM
 
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Yeah, they do jobs americans won't do.....for cash....without paying taxes....WHILE they have their illegitimate kids on welfare, living in a garage.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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But the pay won't increase.They are paid minimum wage. How would the pay increase if they weren't hired?
You're argument was that Americans won't take that job. Do you think Joe bazzillionaire is going to cut his own grass? No he's going to keep offering more money until someone takes the job.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:59 PM
 
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Tired of people always blaming the government for why nobody can find jobs. Employers are the problem. HELLO. They have the jobs. Plenty of jobs are out there, but employers have decided to make it impossible for people to get hired. It doesn't matter what job it is. Even fast food. If you are unemployed you know how it goes.

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Online job applications

Personality tests from overseas companies like Unicru and Kronos that put your application into a black hole forever Demanding resumes and cover letters for minimum wage jobs. As if 18 year old johnny is really going to have an "impressive resume".

Requiring years of experience to do a job anybody can do. My favorite was a $9/hour janitorial position that required 1-2 years of "cleaning knowledge". Is there a degree for cleaning knowledge?

Downright apathy. A job applicant can waste their time with all this, and then try to do things the old fashioned way but you will be stonewalled. You can try walking in the place and trying to fill out an application and be told "apply online". Nothing else. Just "you have to apply online. GOODBYE."

Employers saying "don't call us after you fill out the application, GRRRRRR!!!!!" why not? I want the job!
Job fairs? for what? So you can say, thank you for being interested in this wonderful position, please apply onli....NO! I WANT THE JOB! HIRE ME. NOW.

They give the jobs to family or friends. So much for being an "equal opportunity employer".
They can discriminate against disabled people no problem, all they have to do is say "we are choosing to hire X instead". ADA means nothing! No way to prove it. But disabled people are lazy right?

"Unemployed need not apply". Don't even get me started on this one!!!

It's very easy to figure out what these monsters are doing. They engage in all this nonsense and then tell the press that everybody is lazy and doesn't want to work. Which is a total lie. There are millions of people who have plenty of skills and education but they can't get the wheels rolling because of all this nonsense. THIS. Nevermind what the government and welfare recipients are doing. I've spoken with people all over the country who are disgusted with this. But our government is too busy printing money and trying to "encourage" employers to hire people. Give me a break!

Stop the nonsense and put people to work. 30,000 jobs unfilled? Go fill them darn it. STOP weeding people out. STOP the personality tests. TRAIN the people who need help doing the job. DO THINGS IN PERSON. Forget the computer. STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH PEOPLE WHO NEED JOBS. Unemployed people have bad attitudes? Employers are the ones with bad attitudes. They post jobs for the fun of it, get applicants and don't do a thing. Endless time wasting and lack of professionalism. YES. If I travel far for an interview and you can't even offer a rejection notice or job offer, you LACK professionalism.

"unemployed people aren't owed a job"

You aren't owed a profit either! You EARN a profit. Just like you EARN what you have from working a job and being a quality employee. You aren't owed a successful business. You EARN that from the actions you take.

High-turnover = Employer is sloppy, unethical, unmoral, etc. etc. Nothing more nothing less.

There was a time in this country where if you wanted a job, ANY job, you would have one. Employers actually looked forward to hiring people. The GOLDEN days. "when can you start?" Today! Great.

Now the only thing we have are HR departments, company owners, and store managers who do nothing but avoid hiring people, waste our time, look for excuses and DON'T HIRE PEOPLE. Most of these people have no business being in the positions they are in. They are keeping unemployment rates high.

Next time you tell the press about how everyone is lazy because they aren't qualified for your 3 years experience $7/hour janitorial job cry me a river will ya?

Now, I will go back to page 75 of my TIMED Unicru personality assessment test for the $7/hour part time lot attendant position at Home depot.
Absolute Bilge.

Companies hire people when it is in their financial best interest, i.e. profitable, to do so. They owe absolutely no obligation to hire people for any reason whatsoever, but are free to do so as they see fit.

To blame for not hiring people, is to presume they are under an obligation to do so, as well as to assume they would set their own best interest aside in doing so.

As I said, absolute Bilge.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:03 PM
 
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You're argument was that Americans won't take that job. Do you think Joe bazzillionaire is going to cut his own grass? No he's going to keep offering more money until someone takes the job.
Why would joe pay more than minimum wage when he doesn't have to. I'm sorry but a lot of americans don't want to do the labor and put in the hours for minimum wage. And minimum wage is nothing is some states. In fact, you can't even live on it.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:18 PM
 
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Why would joe pay more than minimum wage when he doesn't have to.
Again the statement you made is that Americans won't take those jobs, correct?

If there is no illegal immigrants to fill those jobs for peanuts Joe has to pay more if he expects the job to get done.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:21 PM
 
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Certified BAD ATTITUDE!!
Not at all - I think the OP is 100% correct here.

Top post!

it's the employers with the bad attitude IMO
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:23 PM
 
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I blame the job seeker.... They pretend they want to work, but when hired, they don't want to work or worse, they are incompetent and create more work for you... Why would anyone hire people like that and there is so many of them...
would you really want to scrub the toilets of Burger King for 5 bucks an hour though?

I doubt it somehow
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:26 PM
 
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Again the statement you made is that Americans won't take those jobs, correct?

If there is no illegal immigrants to fill those jobs for peanuts Joe has to pay more if he expects the job to get done.
The point is...most americans don't want to do these menial labor jobs. And no, Joe pays minimum wage...nothing more. If americans want the job then they will do it but they don't want it so Joe goes somewhere else.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:26 PM
 
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It was hard to follow the OP's post so I gave up. Failing to communicate effectively could be why you're having problems finding a job.
The OP is perfectly easy to follow.

If you can't read and understand that, then what kind of job do you have - janitor perhaps?
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