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"Obamacare" is not paying 10%. I'm not sure where you are getting this. "Obamacare" is not a health insurance plan. It is a piece of legislation called the Affordable Care Act. Maybe you are talking about medicaid? Medicaid will be expanded in many states to cover everyone who is at 130% of the poverty level or lower. Everyone else will be paying for private health insurance plans, either through their employers or through private companies not affiliated through their employers. Low income people who do not qualify for medicaid will be getting discounts subsidized by tax payers to pay for health premiums, but that's it. Everything, other than medicaid, is privatized.
I agree Obamacare is crap. It is a crappy band aid on a wound that is infected with MRSA!! But for those who are living in poverty and have no way of paying for health insurance, this will be a life saver. Also, for people like myself, who have pre-existing conditions and have been unable to get health insurance for years, this is a life saver. It has many flaws, but it is going to save countless lives. If, by chance, this brings my premiums up, I don't care. People's lives are worth it. And I'm not a heartless bastard.
And man, emergency room bills are BS these days. My SO just got his emergency room bill today and it was over $10K...plus he got an $800 bill from the doctor. He got blood work and a CT scan. I googled what he should be charged for a CT, and the average seems to be $300-1500. He was charged over $7K. This crap is insane. I have citizenship in the UK/Ireland and it's very tempting just to move there, even though I have no idea where we would work or how we would pay for the high cost of living. But man, it would take a huge increase in cost of living to not negate the cost of health care here!! And we live in one of the cheapest parts of the US.
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However, only 37% of the procedures overall were completed within the requested waiting time.
Sure thing, toots......
Eighty-per cent of Canadians waiting for medical procedures currently receive them within the benchmarks established in 2004, says the annual report, Wait Time in Canada, released Thursday by the Canadian institute for Health Information. The report tracks wait times for hip replacements, knee replacements, hip fractures, cataracts, bypass surgeries, radiation therapy, CT scans and MRIs. Medical procedure wait times change little in 2011 - Health - CBC News
Every time there's a health insurance thread, you come out swinging with vastly distorted "facts" and screaming bloody murder. It's a mystery to me why you don't want all Americans insured and having access to health care. You have yours, so screw everyone else.
Your scenario shows why a universal health care plan would have been the way to go. IIRC that is what the newly elected president was shooting for but it was shot down.
This country is still one of the richest most powerful countries on the planet and we still have hundreds of thousands of people who can't afford treatment when they are ill. We can afford to bomb anyone we want, but not take care of people who are sick. It's pretty shameful.
As for the costs rising, this was going to happen regardless. People can't afford the ER visits, people can't afford insurance. Therefore people go to ER to get anything done because of the belief that the ER doctors have to take care of everyone who comes in. Then when they can't afford their thousands of dollars bills it goes into collections, now the hospital hasn't been paid a penny. Well they have to make up that money, so the prices rise. Of course once medical costs rise, insurance rises.
I don't believe that the ACA was the best move, but it was better than no move. EVERYONE that sat in the oval office said they were going to come up with something but never did squat. Hopefully people will one day see that medical care for everyone is just as important as public education, police protection & military and will quit the "socialism" nonsense the next time someone brings up the idea of universal health care.
I have a love hate relationship with pure capitalism, it's great for those who actually know how to utilize it and terrible for those who don't.
Then ask for help.
Suggesting...
Mircea
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the difference between us and france ....1.6 year
the difference between us and canada.....1.6 year
the difference between us and germany...a HALF a year
the differnce between us and the untied kingdom...4 months
Is that statistically significant?
Is the US (or any other State being compared) within 1 Standard Deviation?
Those are questions people should be asking, but don't, in part out of ignorance.
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yes I said traffic accidents....you think that the 2x amount of traffic accidents (of the world) is NOT going to lower the top level???
That's another flaw in the data due to the intentional misuse of metrics in order to skew the data. You can see that here...
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we also have the HIGHEST teen pregnancy ...which leads to low baby weight, and high infant mortality.....and the hightest DEMOGRAPHIC with teen pregancies...the african americans (especially southern AA)
That's only part of the equation. The other part is that number of women in American over 30 who have children. That places both mother and child at risk, and the infants tend to have significantly more medical issues.
Nature never intended for women to bear children at ages greater than 30.
$500 for a four hour stay? That's still 125 an hour, not a paltry sum.
How much are lawyer's fees?
Plumbers?
I charge a $3,000 non-refundable retainer and a rate of $750/hour for security/investigative consulting.
For business economics, I charge a $1,750 non-refundable retainer and my rate is $250/hour.
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And that would be a bad thing?
Yes, but not for the reasons you might think.
As an analogy, you have car on blocks with no tires and no engine....and you think if you paint the car a pretty color you think you'll be able to get in it and drive off into the sunset.
Your health care system has systemic problems that make it the nightmare it is. Those systemic problems were created by the American Hospital Association.
Insurance companies did not create the horror of absurd "Out-of-Network" fees and costs that are ridiculously high.....that was the American Hospital Association.
Ask yourself this simple question.....if insurance companies benefited from "Out-of-Network" fees, then why don't auto insurance companies have a network of auto-body/collision repair and charge "Out-of-Network" fees?
If insurance companies benefited, then why don't home insurance companies charge "Out-of-Network" fees for using a roofing repair company that is "not in Network?"
"Out of Network" harms insurance companies........but it doesn't harm the American Hospital Association.
Unless and until you correct and fix the underlying problems that cause your health care system to be the nightmare it is, you will forever have problems with it.
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Let's break up the collusion between insurance providers and hospitals/medical equipment providers not reinforce it with Obamacare.
That's only part of the equation. The other part is that number of women in American over 30 who have children. That places both mother and child at risk, and the infants tend to have significantly more medical issues.
Nature never intended for women to bear children at ages greater than 30.
Concurring...
Mircea
I rarely read your posts, Mircea, b/c they're long and usually contain condescending pronouncements of other posters. How you actually get away with this time and time again I don't know. However, the above did catch my eye. You're wrong. The US actually has one of the lower ages for first childbirth among the OCED countries. If "nature" didn't intend for women to have children after age 30, s/he would have made sure we couldn't do so.
I rarely read your posts, Mircea, b/c they're long and usually contain condescending pronouncements of other posters. How you actually get away with this time and time again I don't know. However, the above did catch my eye. You're wrong. The US actually has one of the lower ages for first childbirth among the OCED countries. If "nature" didn't intend for women to have children after age 30, s/he would have made sure we couldn't do so.
Have you ever heard of an OB/GYN recommending a woman getting pregnant when they are over age 35 and have never had any children? I don't know if the age 30 is accurate, but the age 35 definitely is.
I want to buy two Tylenol from you. You have a delivery service. You can charge me 100% of the cost necessary to run to Walgreen's and deliver me my Tylenol.
How much are you going to charge me for the two pills that cost $0.04 each?
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