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Old 04-24-2013, 08:18 PM
 
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If you think any pro-life is biased then there is nothing you will believe, even words from survivors.

No wonder the survivors of abortion feel like people look down on them. I never thought it could happen but here it is with you people. A sad commentary.

again, there are not "survivors" of abortion and "people" don't look down on them. a sad commentary is you thinking there are abortion survivors.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:20 PM
 
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If you think any pro-life is biased then there is nothing you will believe, even words from survivors.
I asked you for evidence and facts, which means actual STATISTICS from a NON-BIASED (nothing to do with abortion in either direction) source. If there really were survivors of legal abortions, that information would be available somewhere... maybe a national news syndicate, academic/peer-reviewed articles, the CDC, NIH, census bureau, etc? I just gave you a whole bunch of neutral sources to choose from, so pick one or two and see if you can find those stats. If you can ONLY find them on abortion-related sites, chances are they're not fact-based.

Got it now?? Or do I have to break it down even more, for you to understand the difference between evidence and hearsay?? Personal "accounts" don't mean much either, unless they have paperwork or something else to prove they were the result of a botched abortion. I can claim I survived falling off Mount Everest, but without photos or at least some eyewitness accounts and/or a paper-trail of the incident, you should rightfully question my honesty.

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No wonder the survivors of abortion feel like people look down on them. I never thought it could happen but here it is with you people. A sad commentary.
Once you can prove there is such a thing (abortion survivor), I will offer them all the sympathy and compassion that is within me - and that's actually a lot, as people who know me IRL could confirm.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:20 PM
 
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Default No it's not----here is another woman

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no you didn't prove anything with your article in the OP. no verified sources just people saying they knew someone who knew.....get real no babies survive a legal abortion. as to melissa ohden if this is the same woman you posted about before her story does at least have some verification, however her story is unique.


Gianna Jessen Abortion Survivor in Australia (full) - YouTube
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:21 PM
 
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Default And another woman---


A Twin Lives Through an Abortion - CBN.com - YouTube
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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verify it as gizmo asked

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I asked you for evidence and facts, which means actual STATISTICS from a NON-BIASED (nothing to do with abortion in either direction) source. If there really were survivors of legal abortions, that information would be available somewhere... maybe a national news syndicate, academic/peer-reviewed articles, the CDC, NIH, census bureau, etc? I just gave you a whole bunch of neutral sources to choose from, so pick one or two and see if you can find those stats. If you can ONLY find them on abortion-related sites, chances are they're not fact-based.

Got it now?? Or do I have to break it down even more, for you to understand the difference between evidence and hearsay?? Personal "accounts" don't mean much either, unless they have paperwork or something else to prove they were the result of a botched abortion.



Once you can prove there is such a thing (abortion survivor), I will offer them all the sympathy and compassion that is within me - and that's actually a lot, as people who know me IRL could confirm.
any real source that can be verified?
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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Gianna was a later term abortion, which are illegal in most places.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:25 PM
 
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verify it as gizmo asked

any real source that can be verified?
The fact that she can only find this "evidence" on YouTube and pro-life sites pretty much tells us all we need to know... so until she comes back with something like the examples I offered above, I consider this thread as dishonest and useless as most of her others!

Not sure why I bother arguing with her, when she cannot even figure out the most basic concepts of research and fact-checking. Of course, that is sadly a common condition these days (and one of the reasons my profession is still valued - if not MORE valued than ever before).
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:27 PM
 
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The fact that she can only find this "evidence" on YouTube and pro-life sites pretty much tells us all we need to know... so until she comes back with something like the examples I offered above, I consider this thread as dishonest and useless as most of her others!
She's convinced me that late term abortions are wrong, but then again, I thought they were wrong before I clipped on her stupid links.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:27 PM
 
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giana jessen is a stage name. lol the story of her "birth" is not verified
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:28 PM
 
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She's convinced me that late term abortions are wrong, but then again, I thought they were wrong before I clipped on her stupid links.
I've never supported late-term abortions (except in dire medical need), nor have most people even within the pro-choice crowd. So if that's her only argument, I think she's preaching to the choir here.
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