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So this is a thread that is trying to say that the laws the Repub. in the house and Sen. of Ohio are trying to push through this week (starting today) is OK.
This is after a election which the people of Ohio supported union rights.
Let me say this. Right to work means right to make less.
It gives corp. an unfair advantage when they know that they can pay people and give less benefits.
Only fools and politicians (who have been paid off for the vote,one way or another) would suggest that not having the ability to unionize, if needed , is a good thing.
It still hasn't sunk in yet with you, did it?
Obama just handed legal working rights to millions of low skilled immigrants during a time when we have a glut of low wage employees out of work.
You can unionize all you want....where are the jobs?
You're kidding yourself if you think unions are job creators.
Perhaps instead you read the history of the labor movement. Prior to the movement workers were exploited - having to work long hours, under often dangerous and unsafe conditions at low pay. The proof that the labor movement was formed to help workers is the fact that they were opposed by factory owners, who often used corrupt and violent methods to suppress labor organization.
Your post is a poster child for ignorance on the subject. Corporations and government did not get together and "allow" unions to form. It was fought by the corporations and the government officials bought by those corporations. Employers mandated that new employees sign yellow-dog contracts, which stated the employee wouldn't join unions. In the early days of the labor movement, people were prosecuted for organizing. It wasn't until workers realized that they had power in their votes to change laws did this stop.
Corporations didn't give up their power out of benevolent feelings, the power was rightfully taken.
It's funny how with all of the regulations and safety that unions and government brought to the workplace, disability claims are at an all time high.
Alphamale, I have heard the management cry and complain about the agreements that their bosses have made with our union more than I have ever heard a union person complain.
Like the day my buddy got paid 51 hours of double time for 16 hours of work. He followed the labor agreement to the letter and their heads exploded they were so upset.
I'm a union steward so I was in the meeting. I told them now you know how I feel when the CEO get's a 6 million dollar bonus on top of his huge salary.
7 of my uncles were teamster union truck drivers.
One in particular worked for a company for 15 years where all of the drivers were done their routes 3-4 hours early. This was deeply embedded in the company by the drivers little by little over years. They all found "hideouts" to sit and nap or whatever until it was time to get back to the warehouse.
This was theft of service of millions of dollars over the years.
He finally put GPS devices in the trucks and realized that 6 drivers had to go.
Tell me again how you can take your trust of corporations to the bank.
It ain't over yet either.
I hope you like the world you envision without Unions playing any role.
I still never got an answer to my question: "how would you like your weeks pay, with Soy sauce or without?"
Guess what people. The industrial revolution and labor unions were twins in the womb. From the very first plant, owners were squeezing the landless poor who were forced to find work in factories.. So you can find socialism right from the origins. AMERICAN unionization began in earnest when the free land petered out. Again, new immigrants found the same conditions that they'd left in Europe. And by that time they were well aware of a need to approach employers as a unit, not as individuals.
Are you that insecure about your ability that you think that without union support your labor isn't valued?
I am glad that I was instilled with the self confidence of knowing that I don't need someone to negotiate my worth for me.
Same guy will find a way to blame unions when his employer lays him off and embezzles his 401k. Stockholm syndrom I believe its called.
In the twilight of his career my dad works as an engineer one of the few remaining steel plants here in the US. When the union at the plant would strike, and the salaried employees would have to live at the plant for a few weeks to keep things running while the dispute was resolved. Union members might call them scabs, but I call it "keeping the lights on and the place running so that the foreign investors who own the plant don't decide to cut their losses so everyone gets screwed"
With that said I've also worked a little bit myself in numerous occupations where I've had the misfortune of seeing the abuses that regularly occur by companies in this country. I've had to fight for wages that I was denied at one employer, seen numerous examples of exploitation, and even had my job threatened by my child being sick. I can almost certainly assure you that your employer's only concern is making their shareholders happy. Even if you are the model employee your welfare and wellbeing aren't even on the radar.
There are a lot of problems with unions, glaring ones at that. However, the ability for labor to organize is just as relevant today as it was during the industrial revolution, a point underscored by numerous recent incidents like Enron, Hostess, or attempting to diminish the rights of a worker.
Obama just handed legal working rights to millions of low skilled immigrants during a time when we have a glut of low wage employees out of work.
You can unionize all you want....where are the jobs?
You're kidding yourself if you think unions are job creators.
You're kidding yourself if you think that unionization causes outsourcing. That argument is exposed when one considers the fact that going overseas for cheaper labor as a means to "stay competitive" led to an explosion of pay for the average CEO during the last 30 years.
Were it really a matter of higher wages for American workers being unsustainable you would have seen an increase in the pay of management, but nowhere near what we've experienced as the companies would have been making that move to merely stay competitive. The explosion of wages suggests that plenty of money was and is present to support union wages and benefits, but that it has been reallocated to the top earners instead of throughout the company as your simple understanding of economics would suggest.
However, the ability for labor to organize is just as relevant today as it was during the industrial revolution, a point underscored by numerous recent incidents like Enron, Hostess, or attempting to diminish the rights of a worker.
Please explain how the unions helped the Hostess (oops, I mean EX Hostess) employees. I'm assuming greasing a path towards unemployment does not count as help.
Are you that insecure about your ability that you think that without union support your labor isn't valued?
I am glad that I was instilled with the self confidence of knowing that I don't need someone to negotiate my worth for me.
Probably because they tend to do blue collar work that is more menial in nature, and the large companies they work for can more easily squeeze their pay to peanuts if not stopped from doing so. But you already knew this.
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