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Except for energy spikes that wreck havoc to the global economy...
Perhaps a.....gasp.... balanced approach with public and private sector involvement would be best?
as long as government take a light handed approach, they can help. but all too often what starts out as a light hand by government turns into an iron fist.
as long as government take a light handed approach, they can help. but all too often what starts out as a light hand by government turns into an iron fist.
As long as government takes a constitutional approach, it is tolerated. But all too often government exceeds its authority, and in such times that is when government needs to be slapped down and put in its place. Otherwise the government will continue to become overly intrusive and oppressive.
How did they measure the levels 3 million years ago?
Maybe the scale of measurement has been changed.
The obvious question that no one point to is this. If we are to presume the levels were equal to what they were today 3 million years ago, doesn't that alone show that humans are having a negligible impact on the carbon dioxide levels?
3 million years ago, they must have been pumping out some serious pollutants from those massive factories, the cars only got 10 MPG, etc in 3,000,000 BC?
How do you explain 400ppm existing in 3,000,000 BC if the combustion engine, chemistry, human population was either at fractions or non-existent levels reaching the same as 2013?
This again, shows how stupid 99% of the population is. What a curse it is to have superior critical-thinking skills.
The obvious question that no one point to is this. If we are to presume the levels were equal to what they were today 3 million years ago, doesn't that alone show that humans are having a negligible impact on the carbon dioxide levels?
3 million years ago, they must have been pumping out some serious pollutants from those massive factories, the cars only got 10 MPG, etc in 3,000,000 BC?
How do you explain 400ppm existing in 3,000,000 BC if the combustion engine, chemistry, human population was either at fractions or non-existent levels reaching the same as 2013?
This again, shows how stupid 99% of the population is. What a curse it is to have superior critical-thinking skills.
No living organism, no matter how numerous, has ever had a significant impact of the planet's long term climate. Just the opposite actually. It is typically radical shifts in the climate that have caused extinction events all over the planet.
It is also usually a series of events that causes a radical shift in the climate. For example, about the same time the 6-mile diameter asteroid struck Chicxulub 65.45 million years ago, a massive volcanic eruption was occurring in India, known as the Deccan Traps, which could have lasted as long as 30,000 years.
What those who like to hold Venus up as an example of a "run-away greenhouse effect" are overlooking is that there never were any plants on Venus. Nothing to consume the CO2 in its atmosphere. The same was also true on Earth, until the first plants showed up on land some 470 million years ago. When plant life first began on land, then we really see a drop in CO2 levels by a factor 10. Not since the end of the Ordovician Period, some 443.4 ± 1.5 million years ago, has CO2 levels been higher than 2,200 ppm.
What's your point? No climate scientists or any legitimate scientist would ever claim we weren't warmer in the past. Anyone with general scientific knowledge knows our planet has been frozen and molten lava.....So be gone strawman.
The problem is........ our entire human civilization is set up for the climate we currently have, that is 6 billion and growing, modernizing population.
The point is the AGW scammers are being disingenuous. at the least, and dishonest and deceitful at worst. The planet has warmed, we warmed out of the Little Ice-Age, and the activities of humans had zero, nothing, nada, zip, to do with it.
Yes, certain coatlines rise and others fall for various geologic reasons. And yes, the overall level of the oceans is rising a few milimeters a year due to ice melt and thermal expansion. One situation does not preclude the other. Both are true. Really.
I'm confused 3 millions ago we had no cars :-) I wonder what nature occurance caused this 3 million years ago. :-)
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Originally Posted by derosterreich
The obvious question that no one point to is this. If we are to presume the levels were equal to what they were today 3 million years ago, doesn't that alone show that humans are having a negligible impact on the carbon dioxide levels?
3 million years ago, they must have been pumping out some serious pollutants from those massive factories, the cars only got 10 MPG, etc in 3,000,000 BC?
How do you explain 400ppm existing in 3,000,000 BC if the combustion engine, chemistry, human population was either at fractions or non-existent levels reaching the same as 2013?
This again, shows how stupid 99% of the population is. What a curse it is to have superior critical-thinking skills.
This is just scientific ignorance.
The same mechanisms exist. The difference is that man is releasing greenhouse gases, instead of them being released naturally.
over the last 800,000 years C02 has been between the ranges of 180ppm (during the 7 ice ages) and 280ppm during the 7 interglacial periods. Going from 180ppm to 280ppm (mainly due to orbital variations) causing permafrost in the arctic to freeze or melt (releasing methane and converting to C02) took thousands of years- we have gone from 280ppm to 400ppm in a little over 100 years! Going from 180-280ppm melted the mile thick ice over NYC.
One must remember also the inertia in the climate system. The extreme weather we are now seeing is not from C02 at 400ppm- (current level- and rising rapidly) but from C02 levels from around 1990 (when they stood near 360ppm)
We will not see the full impact of current C02 levels for 2 decades or more. We must NOT exceed 450ppm C02- likely by the early 2030s- just when begin to see the impacts when C02 was near 390ppm--
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