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Old 05-12-2013, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Originally Posted by TrapperJohn View Post
Well then Danny has some explaining to do. He's telling me 400 is dangerous.
Perhaps he was thinking of carbon monoxide, which is toxic to humans at between 40 ppm and 50 ppm. However, I suspect he was just making it up on the spot, like he usually does.

 
Old 05-12-2013, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's this crazy thing called science.
Science is your friend. Don't be scared of it.
then why do liberal deny SCIENCE??????



science shows that co2 levels have been 3 times HIGHER than they are today, in the past (ie the co2 325(some say as high as 350) of today is is much lower than the 750-10000 that co2 levels were 100,000 years ago

science shows us that the earth has warmed AND cooled many times

science shows us that ANTARTICA was once a lush furtile land, not covered in ice

science shows us that greenland was once a green lush furtile land, not covered with ice

science shows us that GLACIERS created many of the geographical features that we look at today (ie Long Island was made by the lower reaching of graciers, the great lakes were created by glaciers, the grand canyon was created by glacial melting)

science shows us that plants would grow much better, and use less water if the co2 was HIGHER...around 700-1500ppm compared to the current 320ppm

Research (SCIENCE) demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.Plants under effective CO2 enrichment and management display thicker, lush green leaves, an abundance of fragrant fruit and flowers, and stronger, more vigorous roots. CO2 enriched plants grow rapidly and must also be supplied with the other five "essential elements" to ensure proper development and a plentiful harvest.


SCIENCE shows that plants exposed to elevated CO2 concentrations are likely to lose less water via transpiration



common sense states that as the earths polulation expands, so does the need for more plantlife...to keep our oxygen levels up.............yet the global warming liberals only want to talk about car/industry exaust; man created co2,.... and how to tax it


why do liberals DENY science???....................because they KNOW thatwith the science they cant get their TAX..so they manipulate the science
 
Old 05-12-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's already harmful to humans. 400ppm is harmful. .
link???


you are LYING if you say it is already harmful


humans need plants....PLANTS WONT GROW if Co2 is less than 225ppm


700 -1500 is the best range for plants and humans(because we NEED plants)
 
Old 05-12-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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why do liberals DENY science???....................because they KNOW thatwith the science they cant get their TAX..so they manipulate the science
The fevered minds of conspirators must always revert to seamless worldwide conspiracy (alarmingly effective, considering 97% of them agree with the science) all in alignment with the express purpose of producing fake, artificial, peer reviewed scientific fraud in order to reap the financial benefits of huge profits, all from their government (and taxpayers like you and me) to lead luxurious lifestyles and purchase vacation homes and Mercedes Benzes.

All the while, the fossil fuel industry struggles on, valiantly, trying to stay afloat financially in the face of this vast conspiracy of climate scientists to sully its good name.

Watt is up with THAT?
 
Old 05-12-2013, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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link???


you are LYING if you say it is already harmful


The harm of this is reflected in the frequency and intensity of naturally occurring weather events.

Why is this hard for you to understand?

That is only one example, but quite likely one of the most egregious examples someone can point to.
 
Old 05-12-2013, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It's already harmful to humans. 400ppm is harmful. The lowest level, according to people far more educated than I, that would not cause irreversible change to our weather, habitat and to life on earth, both plant, animal and mankind, would likely be around the 350 ppm range. We are at 400, and steadily going up.

We cannot even agree of the root causes for this increase in carbon dioxide, much less develop a strategy for dealing with it. Threads like this one show how how scientific illiteracy has been used by the wealthiest industry on earth to pump out disinformation like they do pollutants.
The IPCC made this statement in 2007:

There is yet no statistically significant trend in the CO2 growth rate as a fraction of fossil fuel plus cement emissions since routine atmospheric CO2 measurements began in 1958. This ‘airborne fraction’ has shown little variation over this period.

Executive Summary - AR4 WGI Chapter 7: Couplings Between Changes in the Climate System and Biogeochemistry

So we went from 'no statistically significant trend," to the sky is falling in six years time?
 
Old 05-12-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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I wonder if danny is concerned over the tons of radioactive by-products spewing in the ocean and air from fukushima. I would be far more concerned with nuclear waste by-products than CO2. We just had multiple nuclear reactors destroyed and it is still spewing years later. Govts ignore it and raises the radiation standards.
EPA to raise "safe" limits | Department of Nuclear Engineering

Activist Post: Obama Approves EPA's Higher Radiation Exposure ...

Last edited by CDusr; 05-12-2013 at 11:17 AM..
 
Old 05-12-2013, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The fevered minds of conspirators must always revert to seamless worldwide conspiracy (alarmingly effective, considering 97% of them agree with the science) all in alignment with the express purpose of producing fake, artificial, peer reviewed scientific fraud in order to reap the financial benefits of huge profits, all from their government (and taxpayers like you and me) to lead luxurious lifestyles and purchase vacation homes and Mercedes Benzes.

All the while, the fossil fuel industry struggles on, valiantly, trying to stay afloat financially in the face of this vast conspiracy of climate scientists to sully its good name.

Watt is up with THAT?
We just listen to what the people behind the global AGW agenda have to say.

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy' | NewsBusters

If you needed any more evidence that the entire theory of manmade global warming was a scheme to redistribute wealth you got it Sunday when a leading member of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change told a German news outlet, "[W]e redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy."

(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

You call it conspiratorial, I call it just listening to the AGW scammers when they tell us what their agenda is.
 
Old 05-12-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The harm of this is reflected in the frequency and intensity of naturally occurring weather events.

Why is this hard for you to understand?

That is only one example, but quite likely one of the most egregious examples someone can point to.
Like tornadoes and hurricanes?
 
Old 05-12-2013, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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If CO2 really will warm the planet, then by looking at our sun, we will need to pump out more CO2.

Something unexpected is happening on the Sun. 2013 was supposed to be the year of “solar maximum,” the peak of the 11-year sunspot cycle. Yet 2013 has arrived and solar activity is relatively low. Sunspot numbers are well below their values from 2011, and strong solar flares have been infrequent. The quiet has led some observers to wonder if forecasters missed the mark.

A Quiet Interlude in Solar Max : Image of the Day
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