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The factories moved to Mexico and China, the suburbs never had many factories. The factory workers always were more urban...
As usual, you are dead wrong. The fact is NEARLY ALL of the car plants "of Detriot" have always been - and STILL ARE - in the outlying areas of Detroit. GM alone has SIX plants in Flint (just NE of Detroit) which were all constructed from the late 40's through the 50's and even as late as the year 2000. The Pontiac Michigan (a suburb of Detriot) plant began operations in 1929 and is still in operation - though no longer producing Pontiacs (if you think REALLY HARD you might just notice a connection between the NAME of the CITY and the NAME of the CAR - DUH!!!). Gm has THREE plants in Delta Township (another suburb of Detroit) that produce Chevys, GMCs and Buicks - and have done so since as early as 1959, etc, etc, etc. Vurtually ALL of the "Detroit" plants - and GM has well over a DOZEN of them - are in the SUBURBS (and that's been the case for a longggggg time now). The HQ is in Detriot, but the plants are scattered all over the suburbs.
Same thing is true for Ford and Chrysler. In fact, Ford's largest and most famous plants were the River Rouge Complex built west of Detroit in 1915 and the massive Willow Run plant built west of Detroit in the 1930's. NEITHER was within the Detroit city limits.
The auto industry in Michigan - though synonomous with "Detroit" - like the airplane industry in Seattle (ie Boeing) - is not really IN the city any more and has not been for a long time. Everyone associates Seattle as the place where jetliners are built, but there has not been a SINGLE jetliner built in Seattle in DECADES (close to HALF A CENTURY now) - instead they are all (from 737 to 787) built in the suburbs.
You might consider learning something about the history of the auto industry in Detroit before making posts that do nothing but point out your ignorance on the subject. The fact is, the "Detroit" auto industry was NEVER actually JUST IN Detroit. The HQ's were/are, but the plants have been mostly in the suburbs for DECADES for the simple reason that (until fairly recently) property IN Detroit was EXPENSIVE and auto plants tend to be HUGE and thus require a LOT of space. Simple economics dictated that the car manufacturers built their plants in the outlying areas around the city rather than the more densely developed (and thus more expensive) areas within the city limits. I would think you Right-wing types would understand basic business economics, but apparently not.
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even if you were to wipe out all the pensions, Detroit would still be bankrupt.
It's not that simple. Much of GM's problems are because of their legacy costs, something we should note has still not been addressed. If not for these costs GM could have undercut the competitors. Now I won't argue that being extremely poorly run in other areas wasn't also a huge negative but we will never know the exact toll that legacy costs have taken on Detroit.
You obviously do not know much about Metro Detroit....but why should that stop you? Again, no acknowledgment of the impact of racism.
If racism were rain.....blacks could be standing out in the rain, without an umbrella, and people would argue that blacks being wet has nothing to do with the rain. Instead, they want people to believe that blacks have a greater propensity to sweat and this is why they are wet
And if it snows, its racism, if a black man has flat tire, its racism...broken record....we dont care...every time its always racism......the white guilt well is closed...ran dry...never to be refilled..
yeah, or it about one group not liking another groups ideology and politics and leaving....! wow a shock..
Stop ducking. What they did not like was their skin color. The white decline began in 1950 and continued at very close to the same rate until today when there are very few whites left. The black population continued to increase until almost the 70s when it to began to decline.
I know of lots of cities with a history of corrupt politicians but I am aware of none that lost population over the isse.
And if it snows, its racism, if a black man has flat tire, its racism...broken record....we dont care...every time its always racism......the white guilt well is closed...ran dry...never to be refilled..
And this particular one has long term racism written all over it. Why do you keep trying to evade it? It is not why Detroit crashed...that was economically driven...but it is why Detroit is now poor and black.
When I write about it I generally observe that those who got out were white or well off. The well off blacks did not stay either as the city sunk toward unlivable. So it was the flight of the white and the monied.
Just to point out, it was not the fault of the workers so much as the owners who moved manufacturing overseas. A good friend of mine lost his job in the electronics industry because his company buckled under shareholder insistence for higher profits and lower operating costs. They moved the operation to China, where wafers (for chips, electronic arrays, circuit boards etc) could be manufactured for a few cents a piece. Problem was, it took the Chinese two years to get one that works.
The workers did not ask to have the jobs sent overseas, it was the wealthy investors who insisted that the jobs be sent overseas. Liberal or Conservative, democrat or republican, it was the wealthy owners who made that choice.
Just to point out, it was not the fault of the workers so much as the owners who moved manufacturing overseas. A good friend of mine lost his job in the electronics industry because his company buckled under shareholder insistence for higher profits and lower operating costs. They moved the operation to China, where wafers (for chips, electronic arrays, circuit boards etc) could be manufactured for a few cents a piece. Problem was, it took the Chinese two years to get one that works.
The workers did not ask to have the jobs sent overseas, it was the wealthy investors who insisted that the jobs be sent overseas. Liberal or Conservative, democrat or republican, it was the wealthy owners who made that choice.
Nah. I was there at the start of all this. Manufacturing chips abroad had at least as many disadvantages as advantages. The crucial deciding factor was actually taxes. One could artifically control the transfer price of the item thereby moving the profit out side the reach of the US tax agencies.
Let no one kid you. At the end of the day making smart phones in China is probably a wash or close to it to making them in the US. It is a highly automated process with low labor content. If done in the states they likely would have lowered the labor content further. This late in the process China is probably advantaged in such things as start up timing and cost. But that is because they now have the experience base gifted to them by the US corporations.
We has met the enemy and he is us...Apple and friends did it just to avoid taxes.
Just to point out, it was not the fault of the workers so much as the owners who moved manufacturing overseas.
Here again the argument is not this simple. One can not pay your employee's something like $65 an hour with benefits while you competition is paying a fraction of that and survive.
You can't be forced to continue to pay for employee's when there is no work for them while your competition just gets rid of them.
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A good friend of mine lost his job in the electronics industry because his company buckled under shareholder insistence for higher profits and lower operating costs. They moved the operation to China, where wafers (for chips, electronic arrays, circuit boards etc) could be manufactured for a few cents a piece. Problem was, it took the Chinese two years to get one that works.
The workers did not ask to have the jobs sent overseas, it was the wealthy investors who insisted that the jobs be sent overseas. Liberal or Conservative, democrat or republican, it was the wealthy owners who made that choice.
If they didn't someone else would have made the chips in China and these employees would have been out of a job anyway.
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Instead, they want people to believe that blacks have a greater propensity to sweat and this is why they are wet 