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The pipeline is basically infrastructure, and just like building bridges and roads, those construction jobs are temporary. The difference between the pipeline jobs and Obama's "shovel ready jobs" rhetoric, is that the pipeline jobs do not require our government a dime of taxpayer money, in fact the pipeline construction will create tax revenue.
Why is it when government uses taxpayer money to pay for infrastructure the dems applaud like clapping seals, but when private industry wants to do the same thing they oppose it?
Correct.
Guess all construction jobs are temporary and pipelines & refineries don't pay taxes.
Yes it will create thousands of temporary jobs and very few permanent jobs, but that has been known for years, only in the fever swamps of conservative fantasyland is this surprising or new information.
It continues to be under appreciated just how radical the conservative party has become in its rejection of objective reality.
It is truly amazing the level of make believe that exists in much of conservative policy discussions.
I am staying on topic. Obviously your argument is weak so you want to expand it to all types of fossil fuels to strengthen your point. Want to whine about W.VA. Start a thread.
No, I don't even need to leave oil if we wish to discuss environmental impacts... I take issue with a stupid, loaded term like "environazi" and thought I'd point out exactly what these "environazis" are trying to avoid... The fact that you insist on the label while trying to throw out a legit example why "environazis" are concerned suggests its you that lacks a position of defense.
Makes me pretty sure that you are one who likes to dabble in a bit of hyperbole. As though throwing the word "nazi" on the end of something legitimately demonizes anyone who might disagree with your point? You know who "nazis" are I assume? I'll give you that much credit at least.
That said, I personally agree that the pipeline is a safer way to transport if we, indeed, need to transport it down the middle of our country in the first place.... The tar sands themselves are an environmental nightmare, but far be it for me to criticize Canada for doing what they want to do on their own land...
In addition to not creating jobs, the Keystone pipeline will have a paradoxical effect on the price of oil- an increase!
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Gas prices might go up, not down: Right now, a lot of oil being produced in Canada and North Dakota has trouble reaching the refineries and terminals on the Gulf. Since that supply can’t be sold abroad, it reduces the competition for it to Midwest refineries that can pay lower prices to get it.
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Completion of the entire [Keystone] pipeline would raise prices at the pump in the Midwest and Rocky Mountains 10 to 20 cents a gallon, Verleger, the Colorado consultant, said in an e-mail message.The higher crude prices also would erase the discount enjoyed by cities including Chicago, Cheyenne and Denver, Verleger said.
Those of you who think the Keystone pipeline will somehow increase the quality of your life, are in for a big disappointment.
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If there was any doubt that Keystone XL will essentially operate as a bypass through America, TransCanada’s president Alex Pourbaix put it to rest last month in his testimony before Congress. As the report’s authors explain:
TransCanada recently refused to support a requirement that oil from Keystone XL be dedicated for use in the United States in a recent Congressional hearing.26 In December 2011, Representative Edward Markey asked TransCanada’s President, Alex Pourbaix, to support a condition that would require the oil on Keystone XL to be used in the United States. Mr. Pourbaix refused, saying that such a requirement would cause refineries to back out of their contracts.
So by diverting the oil that would have otherwise poured out into Midwestern refineries, the pipeline would actually reduce American oil supply, thereby increasing prices.
Yes it will create thousands of temporary jobs and very few permanent jobs, but that has been known for years, only in the fever swamps of conservative fantasyland is this surprising or new information.
It continues to be under appreciated just how radical the conservative party has become in its rejection of objective reality.
It is truly amazing the level of make believe that exists in much of conservative policy discussions.
All those redevelopment projects during the Great Depression were useless because those didn't create any permanent jobs.
Wanna roll out unemployment figures from the last report here and compare them to those during the Great Depression?
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