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Old 06-07-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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This guy was more liberal than Obama, yet he's the most revered among conservatives? why? The guy was liberal on so many levels.



Seven Ronald Reagan Legacies The GOP Won't Be Honoring On The 9th Anniversary Of His Death
so you equate liberalism with amnesty, abortion, blowing up debt, high taxes, love of failed programs, and negotiating with terrorists? are you trying to get people to hate liberals?
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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LOL, Nancy is that you? Just say no to drugs, remember.

Reagan's policies on defense were pretty much the polar opposite of Libertarian. He used deficit spending to massively expand the military so that he could get involved in conflicts all over the globe. It is laughable that the same person that cooked up schemes like Iran-Contra can be described as a Libertarian.
Of course I remember "just say no" that was Nancy's thing, not his. He also supported states rights, abortion, live and let live, but developed a strong military to keep us safe as well. You know, there are all levels within any group. Not everyone or everything is black and white. I am a conservative but I hold libertarian views on some issues. I probably hold some liberal views, but not many. As for Reagan, I will say again, if you only knew. As for the comment about "Just say no to drugs" and asking me if I remember? That is even funnier. You picked the wrong platform to ask me if I remember?
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: North America
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You forgot:

Reagan sold weapons to Iran, and

Reagan ignored AIDS into a pandemic.

BTW, telling Mr. G to tear down this wall didn't end Communism in the Soviet Union, sport. Years of bankrupting them in the arms race and isolationism had a lot more to do with it than Ronnie did.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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Not mentioning it often does not mean he was ignoring it.

In your estimation, perhaps. Others remember those days more clearly.

Reagan's AIDS Legacy / Silence equals death - SFGate


[quote] How profoundly different might have been the outcome if his leadership had generated compassion rather than hostility. "In the history of the AIDS epidemic, President Reagan's legacy is one of silence," Michael Cover, former associate executive director for public affairs at Whitman-Walker Clinic, the groundbreaking AIDS health-care organization in Washington. in 2003. "It is the silence of tens of thousands who died alone and unacknowledged, stigmatized by our government under his administration." [end quote]

Read more: Reagan's AIDS Legacy / Silence equals death - SFGate
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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You forgot:
Reagan ignored AIDS into a pandemic.
See post #61.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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In your estimation, perhaps. Others remember those days more clearly.

Reagan's AIDS Legacy / Silence equals death - SFGate


How profoundly different might have been the outcome if his leadership had generated compassion rather than hostility. "In the history of the AIDS epidemic, President Reagan's legacy is one of silence," Michael Cover, former associate executive director for public affairs at Whitman-Walker Clinic, the groundbreaking AIDS health-care organization in Washington. in 2003. "It is the silence of tens of thousands who died alone and unacknowledged, stigmatized by our government under his administration." [end quote]

Read more: Reagan's AIDS Legacy / Silence equals death - SFGate
Links to a left-wing newspaper?

Regardless of what a leftist paper prints (notice no mention of the funds allowed for HIV/AIDS?), it's still a fact that the Reagan administration spent billion on HIV/AIDS throughout the 1980s. It's not my "estimation," it was actual figures I posted.

BTW, what did the Clinton administration do about HIV/AIDS?
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:50 PM
 
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In your estimation, perhaps. Others remember those days more clearly.

Reagan's AIDS Legacy / Silence equals death - SFGate
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How profoundly different might have been the outcome if his leadership had generated compassion rather than hostility. "In the history of the AIDS epidemic, President Reagan's legacy is one of silence," Michael Cover, former associate executive director for public affairs at Whitman-Walker Clinic, the groundbreaking AIDS health-care organization in Washington. in 2003. "It is the silence of tens of thousands who died alone and unacknowledged, stigmatized by our government under his administration." [end quote]

Read more: Reagan's AIDS Legacy / Silence equals death - SFGate
Let's see if your theory pans out...

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Table 2. HHS Discretionary Funding for HIV/AIDS
($ in thousands)

FY1981
Funding - $200 — —


FY1982
Funding - 5,555
$ Increase over prior year - $5,355
% Increase over prior year - 2,678%


FY1983
Funding - 28,736
$ Increase over prior year - 23,181
% Increase over prior year - 417%


FY1984
Funding - 61,460
$ Increase over prior year - 32,724
% Increase over prior year - 114%


FY1985
Funding - 108,618
$ Increase over prior year - 47,158
% Increase over prior year - 77%


FY1986
Funding - 233,793
$ Increase over prior year - 125,175
% Increase over prior year - 115%


FY1987
Funding - 502,455
$ Increase over prior year - 268,662
% Increase over prior year - 115%


FY1988
Funding - 962,018
$ Increase over prior year - 459,563
% Increase over prior year - 94%


FY1989
Funding - 1,304,012
$ Increase over prior year - 341,994
% Increase over prior year - 36%


FY1990
Funding - 1,592,756
$ Increase over prior year - 288,744
% Increase over prior year - 22%


FY1991
Funding - 1,891,232
$ Increase over prior year - 298,476
% Increase over prior year - 19%


FY1992
Funding - 1,963,414
$ Increase over prior year - 72,182
% Increase over prior year - 4%


FY1993
Funding - 2,079,591
$ Increase over prior year - 116,639
% Increase over prior year - 6%


FY1994
Funding - 2,568,682
$ Increase over prior year - 489,091
% Increase over prior year - 24%


FY1995
Funding - 2,700,498
$ Increase over prior year - 131,816
% Increase over prior year - 5%


FY1996
Funding - 2,897,923
$ Increase over prior year - 197,425
% Increase over prior year - 7%


FY1997
Funding - 3,267,220
$ Increase over prior year - 369,297
% Increase over prior year - 13%


FY1998
Funding - 3,536,519
$ Increase over prior year - 269,299
% Increase over prior year - 8%


FY1999
Funding - 4,094,489
$ Increase over prior year - 557,970
% Increase over prior year - 16%


FY2000
Funding - 4,546,326
$ Increase over prior year - 451,837
% Increase over prior year - 11%


FY2001
Funding - 5,225,645
$ Increase over prior year - 679,319
% Increase over prior year - 15%


FY2002
Funding - 5,788,553
$ Increase over prior year - 562,908
% Increase over prior year - 11%


FY2003
Funding - 6,093,846
$ Increase over prior year - 305,293
% Increase over prior year - 5%


FY2004
Funding - 6,242,501
$ Increase over prior year - 148,655
% Increase over prior year - 2%


FY2005 enacted
Funding - 6,266,701
$ Increase over prior year - 24,200
% Increase over prior year - 0.4%


FY2006 request
Funding - 6,283,986
$ Increase over prior year - 17,285
% Increase over prior year - 0.3%
http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshal...3103232005.pdf

Your theory fails on all counts...
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:16 PM
 
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He WAS "losing jobs" - to the tune of 700,000+/month.


Ken
Let's see if your assertion is correct...

2009:
Feb. - -509,000
Mar. - -923,000
April - -69,000
May - -402,000
June - -245,000
July - -107,000
Aug. - -417,000
Sept. - -671,000
Oct. - -389,000
Nov. - +244,000
Dec. - -640,000

Besides there only being one month in his first year where 700,000+ jobs were lost and only two that were just under -700,000, even if you take the average you still only get -344,000 a month lost.

I'm going to assume you simply meant something entire different than you posted and in liberal la la land that's not a lie, you simply needed to wait until more facts came in (despite having those readily available to you).
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:18 PM
 
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Also, GDP growth was much higher under Reagan than Obama.
It's hard to increase GDP with a shrinking labor force. It's also hard to increase GDP when wages have gone down.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:28 PM
 
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It's hard to increase GDP with a shrinking labor force. It's also hard to increase GDP when wages have gone down.
Let's see, does your theory pan out....

Expansion of US economy in months:

After the Reagan Revolution:
March 1991(I) - March 2001(I) - 120 months
November 1982 (IV) - July 1990(III) - 92 months
November 2001 (IV) - December 2007 (IV) - 73 months

Before the Reagan Revolution:
February 1961 (I) - December 1969(IV) - 106 months
June 1938 (II) - February 1945(I) - 80 months

Besides the fact that 3 of the top 5 longest expansions in US history occurred after the Reagan Revolution (i.e. low tax rates and a limiting of regulations) they also occurred at times of war and/or military buildups.

What can we gather from that? There is no correlation to US GDP and wages and at the very least there may be a small correlation to US GDP and shrinking jobs.

I'm going to say your theory doesn't pan out but feel free to correct me (with facts of course).
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