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Old 06-12-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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California to Wal-Mart: Pay Better and Stop Forcing Taxpayers to Subsidize Your Profits

"Accurate and timely data on Wal-Mart’s wage and employment practices is not always readily available. However, occasional releases of demographic data from public assistance programs can provide useful windows into the scope of taxpayer subsidization of Wal-Mart. After analyzing data released by Wisconsin’s Medicaid program, the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that a single 300- person Wal-Mart Supercenter store in Wisconsin likely costs taxpayers at least $904,542 per year and could cost taxpayers up to $1,744,590 per year – about $5,815 per employee."
Most Walmart jobs are entry level, hence low paying. Does California wish to raise all entry level wages to $16/hour? Seems that you have to be a special kind of stupid to be a Californian these days.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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The point that is being made is that businesses cost cities and states a lot of money to maintain roads, build sewer, water, power, schools for the workers of that business, police, fire etc that businesses don't pay the full cost.

Those businesses are not paying the full cost that it would take to maintain the infrastructure that those businesses need to exist and thrive.
They are called property taxes, so raise all property taxes thru the roof on all businesses, homes, and properties, and there you go. But not as if it will make a damn bit of difference in California, they still give away the store and spend the state into oblivion.

Californians, a special kind of stupid.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:18 PM
 
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And here I thought people worked at wal mart of their own free will. And along the same lines, people shop there of their own free will. Dont like the business model? Stop patronizing them.

do you think wage slaves work for crappy wages and employers because they want to???
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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That doesn't make sense. In most states businesses pay higher property taxes because there is no homeowner's exemption available to them. So on a local level businesses pay more and on a federal level businesses pay more if they conduct business in the USA because of the tax rates.

Also, the Walmart employees aren't subsidized by anyone. Single mothers that work at WMT might be subsidized, but they will be subsidized anywhere they work.
How doesn't it make sense? Again a business creates additional costs for cities and states.

Look at Willingston ND, those businesses being in that city is costing that city government a lot of money to create the infrastructure to support those businesses, and those businesses through taxes aren't paying for the additional costs to city government to maintain and create the infrastructure that allows those businesses to thrive.

Those additional costs are not covered by the taxes that those businesses pay. Those additional costs are being subsidized by that city or state. If that same business, whose additional costs which are being subsidized by a city or state then pays its workers so little that those workers then have to be subsidized by the city or the state, then that those cities or states have the ability to say this business is costing us these additonal dollars to be here there needs to be more sharing of the burden that those businesses place on state and local governments.

Also, your point about single moms needing to be subsidized any where they live that is just not true, if their wages are high enough and some cities and some states the amount of assistance for single moms is lower than in other cities and states and that is because those single moms work in cities or states with higher wages which leads to lower rates of poverty, so of course the pay single moms as anyone gets from their employer is going to impact their rates of poverty and need of assistance.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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do you think wage slaves work for crappy wages and employers because they want to???
What's a wage slave?
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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I don't know where Obama became a part of this discussion. There's tons of other threads to criticize him in.
If the mentality fits.
Walmart doesn't owe anyone a minimum wage, nor should a government take from those who work and redistribute to those who don't, wont or cant make a certain amount of money
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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How doesn't it make sense? Again a business creates additional costs for cities and states.

Look at Willingston ND, those businesses being in that city is costing that city government a lot of money to create the infrastructure to support those businesses, and those businesses through taxes aren't paying for the additional costs to city government to maintain and create the infrastructure that allows those businesses to thrive.

Those additional costs are not covered by the taxes that those businesses pay. Those additional costs are being subsidized by that city or state. If that same business, whose additional costs which are being subsidized by a city or state then pays its workers so little that those workers then have to be subsidized by the city or the state, then that those cities or states have the ability to say this business is costing us these additonal dollars to be here there needs to be more sharing of the burden that those businesses place on state and local governments.
ND is experiencing an oil and drilling boom so it isn't really typical, but I don't see how businesses are being subsidized. Most businesses anyway.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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Greedy local store owners put themselves out of business. They are slowly coming back by returning to their core reason for existing which is to provide a better value than the competiton by offering better service for the price charged. "Main street" will never be able to compete on price alone.


When I was younger, I worked at one of the very first Staples stores here in Northern Virginia as a part-time stock person in the evenings. Why would anyone in their right mind pay Ginns Office Supply $2.00 EACH for a ball point pen when you could get an entire box of them for 63 cents? People were paying that because there were very few other places to go and all charged similar prices.

Local store owners don't have the gigantic economies of scale that Walmart has. For example I've worked for convenience stores that pay their suppliers higher wholesale prices than the retail prices charged by larger stores. How the heck do you compete with that? A lot of those "greedy" local store owners are barely able to keep their doors open because of the prices they re paying.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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If the mentality fits.
Walmart doesn't owe anyone a minimum wage, nor should a government take from those who work and redistribute to those who don't, wont or cant make a certain amount of money

But you don't have a problem with redistributing from those who don't earn "enough" money to those who have enough money or luck to own a home (e.g. zoning)?
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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They are called property taxes, so raise all property taxes thru the roof on all businesses, homes, and properties, and there you go. But not as if it will make a damn bit of difference in California, they still give away the store and spend the state into oblivion.

Californians, a special kind of stupid.
Well, I think California doesn't want to raise property taxes, I think California wants Walmart to pay higher wages, you may disagree.

I think the California state government sees the benefits of subsidizing the addtional costs of businesses by not making those businesses pay the full cost to the city or state as long as they pay their workers more money, which leads to much better outcomes for those citizens and their children and maybe higher income tax revenues and more economic growth for the state.
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